While I enjoy Azula's character, you can't rely deny that she's a Villain Sue of the most extreme kind. She basically never fucking loses until they introduced the "she's insane" plot device. Hell, it gets even more ridiculous in the comics.
While I enjoy Azula's character, you can't rely deny that she's a Villain Sue of the most extreme kind...
Hudson Cruz
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Daniel Turner
the point is that she's been considered to be one of the strongest benders of her generation, she even perfected her firebending to blue fire, of course it would be difficult to take her down.
Owen Adams
Yep, you’re definitely a homo
Jaxson Gonzalez
She's not just a strong bender though, she's also an unbeatable hand-to-hand fighter, tactical genius, master strategist and manipulator, etc, etc. She's essentially a walking plot device, to the extent that it becomes absolutely ridiculous.
Takes one to know one.
Camden Reyes
The only time that I thought it was truly ridiculous was when the Dai Li all decided that throw their fortunes behind a 14-year-old girl.
Jeremiah Campbell
she was in B2 but B3 knocked her down a peg
Jose Butler
Are you the She-Hulk writer that just got into Avatar and is fangirling about it on Twitter? It's cool if you are, I'm just wondering.
Julian Gonzalez
>Villains Sue
I kinda know what tou are trying to say, but stop using terms for things that they weren't meant to refer to, retard. You are going to turn "Mary Sue" in the next soïboī at this rate.
Parker Price
Siding with her means siding with the fire nation. She is not just a random 14 year old girl. And the fire nation was clearly winning at this point
Evan Fisher
I thought she was a great threat. Some of her dialogue can get a little cheesy at times but for the most part it wasn't cringy. Also she was raised from birth to be the perfect daughter so it makes sense that she's so elite.
Ryder Hughes
I find it difficult to justify a villain being a Mary Sue. The point of a Mary Sue isn't that they're overpowered, that's a part of it but it's moreso they don't have flaws and are generally liked by anybody relevant. As such this generally applies to protagonists/heroes. A villain, particularly a major antagonist, is inherently flawed in that they are designed to be stopped, thwarted, undone, or defeated in some capacity. They're supposed to be powerful, if not directly then indirectly, as a villain that's difficult to stop generally makes for more interesting drama and stakes. But being overpowered does not mean having no flaws; Azula is a psychopath, she has arrogance and is disliked by the vast majority of other characters. Half of her accomplishments are due to her family ties and the benefits that inherently gives, and the other half are her exploiting weaknesses, torture, lying, etc. Yeah, she's overpowered, but as a villain that's acceptable because she's meant to be eventually overcome, be it physically or psychologically, not to mention the horrible things she does to accomplish her goals.
Lincoln Ortiz
>You are going to turn "Mary Sue" in the next soïboī at this rate.
You mean it isn't already?
Chase Hughes
I wonder how she’s fair against Toph, who was also pretty OP. No Dai Li agents, no eclipse, just a one-on-one fair match.
Jaxson Turner
I am rubber, you are lube.
Jason Rogers
that was awlays something annoying in especial because removes the credit of Zuko defeating her by making her cheat in the duel.
Worse Zuko never had a chance to defeat her even when Azula was insane.
Charles Hernandez
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Noah Hughes
Nah that's horseshit because Azula was a warrior forged from birth to become the perfect soldier. It would make sense that she is so hard to defeat when she has spent all her life dedicated to becoming the perfect weapon unfortunately it came at the cost of her social ability and that is what makes her not a sue.
Charles Morgan
Yeah Zuko was never a better firebender than Azula and never will be. Their final agni kai was fake and gay for many reasons, durr azula is insane does not explain it.
previously in the series we see Azula vs aang, zuko, iroh, katara, toph, sokka, AT THE SAME TIME, and Azula directs lighting at Iroh and basically hits him while he's looking right at her.
Azula was the #2 bender in the series behind Ozai (I only assume since we never really see much of what he can do on a normal day) not counting Aang. the finale had to lobotomize her to give Zuko any chance
plus she had an army of Dai Li simps that the show had to get rid of the make it make any sense
Also how did Zuko know she was there in the first place?
Julian Wood
>you can't rely deny that she's a Villain Sue of the most extreme kind.
I do deny. Watch the beach episode.
>She basically never fucking loses until they introduced the "she's insane" plot device.
U mad? Imagine wanting a main villain who's not even formidable against the heroes.
>Hell, it gets even more ridiculous in the comics.
Comics aren't canon.
The Dai Li knew a leader when they saw one also they wanted to fuck her
James Walker
There's several characters in the series that would beat her 1 on 1 though, she's not invincible
Gavin Murphy
Btw the Netflix show is going to make Azula so fucking terrible I can just see it coming.
She's going to be the YAAAS QWEEEEEEN feminist girl power character like Daenerys in GOT.
Mason Bailey
she literally has autism
Aaron Reyes
Yeah but they had captured the princess of the fire nation. One of the heads of state. They could have negotiated a ceasefire with Ozai in exchange of her not getting horribly maimed and raped.
Of course that would mean shit to Ozai and he would proceed as planned. But they could try.
Ryan Wood
anyone else think it was a pussy move on Ozai's part to use Azula as a guard dog on the day of black sun. rather than face the intruders himself he had to have Azula distract them long enough so that they never had a chance to get to him and he could just sit there and do nothing
Kevin Butler
She got beaten by Ty Lee in hand to hand
Ayden Murphy
You mean when Ty Lee essentially cheated by butting into a fight between Azula and Mai
Azula's never lost a fair fight outside the finale
Luke Reed
Why would you want to risk your life in the battleground when you got a nation to rule and a world to burn?
Colton Young
>AHHHHH SAVE ME ZUKO
Benjamin Howard
It depends on how they play it. If they go this route and they redeem her then I can forgive that.
Gabriel Mitchell
Her "giant drill-do through the wall of Ba Sing Se" gambit failed. She failed to beat Aang in that fight on top the drill-do.
I think you're glossing over her failures.
Christian Allen
i dont see a loss there
Nathan Hill
Why do you defend your life by using your teenage daughter as a human shield?
to be fair that wasn't her idea and she lost because the drill itself was defeated
Logan Lewis
For some reason Katara seems to be her natural hard-counter.
Logan Hall
Still a failure, both the plan and her fight. /shrug
Ryder Adams
But you need a villain like that when the hero is an Avatar.
Parker Baker
I don't want her to be redeemed if the driving force behind her redemption is "men are mean to me and I am kicked down because I am a woman".
Part of the reason I like Azula so much in the first place is because absolutely none of her motivations or her problems have anything to do with misogyny.
Nolan Phillips
>Why do you defend your life by using your teenage daughter as a human shield?
You're in your prime. You can always make another one later. And she's designed from birth to be a weapon for you to conquer.
If you fall the empire falls. If she dies, you just mourn her and use her sacrifice to inspire your nation to fight harder.
Isaac Ortiz
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Carson Hernandez
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Jeremiah Long
Well isn't that particularly true? Ozai was the main reason why she turned out to be the way she was and going back further azulon also was the one who started the mess to begin with. Hell the people who control her fate are all men remember Zuko was supposed to be help her be redeemed. Maybe it's time she learned to stand on her own.
Robert Mitchell
Them being men doesn't explicitly have anything to do with it, Ursa for example was a useless piece of shit that did nothing to help her and is half the reason Azula turned out why she did
Zuko is the one of the two that needs to stand on his own, he spent the entire series being coddled by either his mom or his uncle. Azulas been standing on her own since the day she was born
Nolan Morgan
Stop playing with me nigga sauce
Cooper Harris
It's a comic by Mr. Potatoparty.
Ryan Long
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Ethan Garcia
That's absolutely correct user thank you for reminding me what an absolute shitter Ursa is. I would hate to see them give her a pass for not taking care of Azula just because she is a woman too.
Christopher Rogers
>Azulas been standing on her own since the day she was born
Come on, she was a prodigy and had nothing but adulation from Fire Sages, her teachers, her father, Fire Lord Azulon, etc. She was set up from the moment she began to demonstrate she was top shit.
Anthony Gonzalez
Will there be nudity in the netflix series?
Hunter Sullivan
adulation she deserved because she was what you call..talented. zuko cant relate
Jeremiah Robinson
>She basically never fucking loses until they introduced the "she's insane" plot device.
as oppoused to her older brother she was properly trained since young age she worked hard and had planty of resolve so obv she is able to pull some amazing shit with all the resources at her disposal
ofc it all goes down from the moment Zuko pulls his head out of his ass and starts to utylize his talent and it turns out that Azula isn't as amazing as herself and her brother thought she was after all
Ryan Collins
>ofc it all goes down from the moment Zuko pulls his head out of his ass and starts to utylize his talent and it turns out that Azula isn't as amazing as herself and her brother thought she was after all
CRINGE.
zuko could only beat her because she was powered down by her psychosis and he was powered up by the comet. at no point is zuko ever better than azula at firebending
>cant even into lightningbending
Owen Peterson
A Sue is more than just an overpowered character. For a character to be a Sue, they have to warp the story around them for no good narrative or thematic reason. Making her a prodigal fire bender doesn't make her a Sue, but, say, making her a part fire, part air bender plus inexplicable energybending and then playing the story completely straight with only having other characters comment on how amazing, powerful and exceptional Azula is would make her a Sue.
Isaiah Moore
by the end of s3 Zuko and Azula personify both sides of firebending the princess fully gives into rage as her sanity drifts away and Zuko stands firm as the paragon of life and inner strength
on top of that they are both powered up by the comet and in the end it turns out that Zuko is stronger as Azula isn't able to break his defense and is pushes back herself
but that shouldn't be a surprise since this is what their precious fights were leasing up to
Jack Thompson
Why do people like to blame Ursa so much? I agree, she wasn't the best mother but giving the circumstances it's not like she could've done much to help Azula.
Levi Wood
Didn't Iroh smack the shit out of her
James Jackson
this is just gay.
Azula is clearly a better in an even match, even despite zukos homo hippie arc. you take one fight that required lobotomizing azula to make it even thinkable that zuko could beat her and forget every other scene in the series where she clearly is a superior fighter in every way.
Joseph Cruz
Didnt azula blast him with lightning in The Chase
Carter Anderson
>I love you and you're not a monster
what circumstances prevented her from saying that?
Chase Walker
She gave up on Azula and even admitted to not loving her as much as Zuko. She even chose to forget about their children which any parent would say they could never do.
Jose Powell
Azula is better bender but Zuko is stronger
and remember their first fight on the ship ends with her moping the floor with him but with each clash Zuko moves forward and their battle at the temple ends in a draw
plus the hermit guy scene forshadows Azula's fate with him saying that if you try to grab too much power you can loose yourself in exchange
Charles Thomas
Dominic Cook
Azula is still pretty much outclassing him in every fight even the ones that end with zuko getting lucky
Evan Howard
>as oppoused to her older brother she was properly trained since young age she worked hard and had planty of resolve so obv she is able to pull some amazing shit with all the resources at her disposal
they grew up in the same house. Zuko had the same "resources" at his disposal. He just sucked.
Why are zukotards like this?