IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN

Comic shops in LA will be closed until at least April 19th. Most of them that carry new books will be gone.

>>implying unemployment isn't a thing

He's literally always been unless you're a PR person who's project he leaked.

Comics existed before Diamond, they'll exist after.

We have webcomics. The question is how they may thrive financially

Yes, but this current iteration will be gone and all the parasites that thrived on it will be left out in the cold

Idk what state they're in but that's not exactly feasible.

If you mean the federal government they're literally handing people a check.

Unemployed people may not understand this but "the rich" aren't helped by bailouts. The rich are helped by low tax rates on capital gains. Major corporations benefit from bailouts - 08 ones being worse than these since those were based on poor investment and these are based on the government itself shutting the economy and their workplaces down. In both cases it's to keep hundreds of thousands employed.

Again NEETs and faggots that don't leave the house quarantine or not don't understand this.

No. Everyone keeps pretending it will be the end in the hope that one day they will be right. But we made it through the 90s and will get through this too.

You will have to leave eventually to get groceries.

No you won't be, sadly. Though I'd love to watch you hang yourself.

So what happens to all the books and omnibuses they’re planning I don’t really care much for singles but there’s a few big releases I wanted to get in to

What is this in reply to?

>>parasites
Shut up Marx

They'll still be able to sell books. There's too much history and fandom for the Big Two to just fold. They'll figure out a different distribution model.

Go cook a plastic bag for your estrogen and dilate.

>They were literally the only physical distributor for this niche hobby.
Figuratively. They were literally the only physical distibutor of a subset of this hobby, that subset being floppies.Physical floppies representing about 1/3 of the market overall at this point.
That's 2 asterisks to the drama.

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Why does this company even exist? Surely Marvel and DC can afford to ship comics themselves, seems like a pointless middleman.

Losing $500 million is not something that they can easily recoup. Most of the publishers will fold.

Delayed in the meantime. If Diamond doesn't recover or comeback, TPBs and HC collections have a good chance of being able to shift over to the distribution channels used by normal books.

>d-dilate
Like calling a white dude a nig lol. Hang yourself and stream it faggot.

Stop being disingenuous. That format graph includes scholastic graphic novels and stuff. Floppies are 2/3s of all sales without captain underpants guy and the smile lady.

Distribution is an entire department. Lots of logistics and shit. Between hiring and, more importantly, weekly overhead it's gotta be a hassle they'd rather not deal with.

The Big Two deserve to fall. Based Corona-Chan

Yes digital exists.
Bookstore distribution exists for collections and GNs.
But you downplay how much the publishers have chosen to keep the physical floppies as a major part of their financial model.
They can evolve and change. And need to do so.

Marvel tried to run their own distribution company in the nineties. It was a disaster and inadvertently lead to Diamond becoming a monopoly.

>That format graph includes scholastic graphic novels and stuff. Floppies are 2/3s of all sales without captain underpants guy and the smile lady.
Why should that part of the market be ignored?

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine

>Yas Forumsmblr so easily triggered

Does this exclude Manga? Some of the industry shills tried claiming manga as comics to prop their numbers.

>Why does this company even exist?
Various distributors existed back in the day. Then these distributors skimming titles almost destroyed the industry so the direct market was born. Then someone said that company was a monopoly and it was broken up. Then Diamond came to prominence. 90s market crashed and Diamond basically had a monopoly. Investigation happened and some of the people from the previous investigation basically said "without this monopoly, considering the comics crash, comics won't survive without Diamond". So we carried on ever since with it.

It does but manga makes up for about 10% of the "book channel" market and even less of the comic store market.

>They can evolve and change. And need to do so.

How do you suppose they do this user? Digital didn't take off. You really can't lower the price because the margins are already thin and comics cost a good 20K to make per issue, all mouths fed. Digital comics prices are actually subsidized by physical comic sales figures.

Digitalfags and "they need to evolve" losers don't seem to understand the only effect digital had was to devalue the product t all around.

When comics are sold digitally the art is immediately compared to all digital art - much of which people see on instagram after artists spend MONTHS on ONE piece. This leads to consumers not understanding why the digital pictures in their digital comics are not as good as the ones they see for free. Meanwhile you have creators literally saying they'd like digital to be the future and devaluing floppies claiming trades are superior and not one segment of the sales has seen added value.

Digital was and is cancer because comics, specifically ones with handmade art, have an experiential quality to them akin to physical books. People mentally separate the two from the work/school reading they do on screens and the free endless art they see on the same screens in free apps.

Who has been bailed out that you think doesn't deserve to be? Or are you just saying the government should go further with the bailouts?

Whatever your answer is, you should study economics before you hold an opinion on this sort of thing. Unless you're an ideologue, in which case go for it.

explain diamond whatever to an old man, what do they have to do with me getting my comic books? do they buy every comic book marvel/dc make and then sell them to comic shops? does this just mean marvel will have to sell their comics directly?

My bad, it includes manga, but again that's a minor part of the market.

>Like calling a white dude a nig lol
So, posting on Yas Forums?

Because it has nothing to do with diamond and is distributed by other people and to non-LCS. That format graph tells you, essentially, the Frankenstein version of two seperate "comic" industries.

And frankly other than PR those are mostly just children's picture books. They simply market them as comics so they can be "best sellers" despite selling less than typical children's books.

>t-triggered
Okay faggot. Upload that suicide video of yours when you're done filming it ;-)

It does, in the graphic novel segment with the kids books. Another reason why floppies make up 2/3s of sales.

Diamond drives books from the printer to the stores. Stores order from DC and Marvel (and the others obviously) and then they send the orders to printers to send them to diamond who make sure they get out to everyone on time.

oh, so its a non issue, since all comic book shops and printers are closed anyways. thanks user

>drives to stores
And they really don't even do that. They just get them to UPS on time. They're the centralized locations that all printers send to though and that all delivery trucks pick up from.

>Because it has nothing to do with diamond
But the point is that there's a market even without Diamond and LCS.
And no, Raina Telgemeier's comics aren't picture books, they're proper comics.

Only DCs printer. Alterna for example has a printer that is still working. Most shops are limited to closed at this point though yes. Only for the next few weeks, trumps eyeing an Easter-ish finish to this shut down thankfully.

This vid does a pretty good job explaining it.

youtube.com/watch?v=cGVo80c-kB0

Never said that bailouts were bad. Just that there was a whiff of hypocrisy in the air.

>america comes back to life same day as jesus
based

all bailouts are bad. if the company dies, then it deserves it. full stop.

This is the end result of shifting to becoming a niche industry hobby in the nineties.

Many comic stores are going to be closing for good because of this because they won't have the funds to reopen.

Diamond can't sell product to stores that don't exist. A bunch of new comic book stores aren't going to spring into existence.

For example you bring up costs and profit margins. Let's compare it to manga, and I'm not talking about the phonebook anthology model so many people promote without understanding how manga is produced. Part of it is Manga is printed on cheaper paper, but Mangaka page rates are far lower than those american publishers pay, and Mangaka are actually expected to meet their deadlines or risk losing their jobs.

Sholastic also pays page rates far less than the mainstream publishers for their ogns.

Also manga, and also european comics didn't give up on newstand magazine rack distribution like american comics did, so kids and casuals are actually expose to and pick comics without going to niche hobby stores.

The american comic industry dug it self into this hole, and getting out isn't going to be painless or easy. The only easy way out is to give up on the business entirely.

this cant work for all companies, unfortunately. you have no idea the fallout if a major airline/drug maker/food producer were to go out of business, it would start a chain reaction and we would be in the shit. everything is too interconnected now to let certain things just go tits up

user the government closed every company. they don't deserve that. you deserve a bullet in the back of the head, full stop.

No, the point of this thread is discussing the industry without diamond. Not the typical faggot shit you always do of "but DC and marvel need to focus on digital and the kids books fuck comic shops."

this thread is literally focused ONLY on those comic shop sales.

>eating a shit sandwich and asking for seconds
People like you are why the industry is dying.

>if a company cant survive being shut down for 2+ months by the government, they deserve to go under
???

It isn't hypocritical at all. You faggot ass high school socialists just don't understand how the economy works. Government intervention, regulation and stabilization isn't socialism.

The checks being given to citizens, which you'd know about if you watched the news, or the NBA/NHL stadium wageslaves getting paid to stay home is more similar to a UBI than a bailout is to socialism. And even then it's the companies picking up the tab because they can't have employees completely ruined by this in less than a month.

>The american comic industry dug it self into this hole,
The funny thing is, the "hole" it dug was to save it from old distributors who were driving it to collapse. The old distribution market had distributors keeping up to half the comics and reselling them with none of the profits going to the comic companies.

>can't respond to legit points without NPC-level insults

Predictable.

Yeah and people don't realize that if they never went into the direct market, they would've been even worse off in the 00's when magazines were also declining fast.

Question, would it be possible for the american comic industry to go entirely digital now since distributing floppies is currently a no go?

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digital comics are terrible, physical comics are too expensive. how do we fix this?

The direct market was an easy place to escape to at the time. What what easy and works in the short term isn't always good for longterm planning.

Neither was the option of "let's go back to being sold on the grocery stores".

>No, the point of this thread is discussing the industry without diamond.
I was originally replying to someone saying Diamond is "literally the only physical distributor for this niche hobby". Learn to read.

>This is the end result of shifting to becoming a niche industry hobby
>Many comic stores are going to be closing for good because of this because they won't have the funds to reopen.
>Diamond can't sell product to stores that don't exist. A bunch of new comic book stores aren't going to spring into existence.
All barbs I'm happy to let you throw kiddo.

>For example you bring up costs and profit margins. Let's compare it to manga, and I'm not talking about the phonebook anthology model so many people promote without understanding how manga is produced. Part of it is Manga is printed on cheaper paper, but Mangaka page rates are far lower than those american publishers pay, and Mangaka are actually expected to meet their deadlines or risk losing their jobs.
they also work in teams much like kirby used to do with underlings inking and finishing pages from rough layouts and drafts. Anyone that ignores "mangaka" aren't just one person but a team on an more well known comics isn't worth speaking to, they're imagining Akira Toriyama making comics solo in an apartment to this day.

>Sholastic also pays page rates far less than the mainstream publishers for their ogns.
because the art is terrible and they're for children (for discussion purposes we'll say floppies are mostly for teenagers these days).

>Also manga, and also european comics didn't give up on newstand magazine rack distribution
not at all what happened. in fact it was the opposite. you need to learn more about publishing in the US.

>The american comic industry dug it self into this hole, and getting out isn't going to be painless or easy. The only easy way out is to give up on the business entirely.
cute. you faggots are the worst man. why do so many people come to Yas Forums to gleefully hope for the death of all american comics?

>charging 99 cents for a picture of a piece of shit is better than charging 1.99 for a piece of shit

thing is, 3.99 isn't too expensive.

It's the end of floppies and the smaller publishers . Funnily enough Archie may be the last man standing

The industry has been losing readers without gaining any new ones like crazy for the past 20 years, and you faggots were defending the distribution and sales model the whole time claiming everything was fine, and now that that same model is collapsing on itself you still refuse to see the need for change.

>3.99 isnt too expensive
in my day comics were 1.25, and thats the way it should stay!

>learn to read
I suggest you do the same or stop saying shit like that faggot.

user said that the industry needed to evolve, you then showed a graph saying - essentially - "they are evolving floppies are dying" which is when I noted that the format graph (which is ALWAYS posted by some digitalfag or tradefag) doesn't factor in to this discussion because we're essentially ONLY talking about that one format.

the distribution and sales model did change. trades and digital exist dumbass. user:
explains why he thinks digital only served to devalue comics as a whole and you completely ignored it to be a faggot instead.

>why do so many people come to Yas Forums to gleefully hope for the death of all american comics?

Because they're shills copying something they heard on Youtube without really thinking.

And what, just rely on Comixology? Because that's the one companies will flock to in that scenario, since there's a semblance of DRM on there.

You can be an indy guy on Patreon and release a PDF, but that isn't going to fly with even third-rate publishers.

This is why every major media company is running screaming to a subscription model, including DC and Marvel to an extent. That's reliable money in the bank.

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>thing is, 3.99 isn't too expensive.
Yes it is. The price of comics indefensible

what change? as user said they can't make them any cheaper. they're already digital. they're already collected within a month or two of the last floppy being released. what more other than just getting rid of 2/3s of their sales, do you want.

why is it you people just want them to remove floppies cause "fuck the lcs and fat nerds" yet don't actually want explain how it leads to more overall sales.

it really just feels like delusional digitalfags who think floppies are keeping prices artificially inflated when in fact it's the price of the artists.

>they also work in teams much like kirby used to do with underlings inking and finishing pages from rough layouts and drafts. Anyone that ignores "mangaka" aren't just one person but a team on an more well known comics isn't worth speaking to, they're imagining Akira Toriyama making comics solo in an apartment to this day.

Yes, your paying a team of people les than what DC or Marvel pays one artist and writer. The point is page rates rate lower.

>not at all what happened. in fact it was the opposite. you need to learn more about publishing in the US.
While it's true that newstand distribution was braking dow in the us, One would like to believe comics could have shifted to format or model more satisfying to them.

>cute. you faggots are the worst man. why do so many people come to Yas Forums to gleefully hope for the death of all american comics?
No. I'd like to see it survive. But you need to face reality. We're looking at the end reult of decades of bad decision making.

But if you want to insist comics were always going to become a fragile niche medium in the united states, and the industry made the only correct choices they could have made along the way, then this is the inevitable result.