"My people - who love dragons - shouldn't be allowed to live with dragons, because other people abuse them

But that is pants on head retarded! People are going to try just as hard to get to the hidden lands and get at the dragons. If you want to protect your dragons so bad then just wipe out anyone who abuses said dragons. They are god damn viking dragon riders and they aren't willing to sink a few ships? Ships are flammable as hell! If you want to use the nukes metaphor then just drop a nuke off the bow of anyone who comes near your island and live in peace as a mysterious island who occasionally sends out trading vessels!

>super-duper understanding mom

Don't you mean a deadbeat piece of shit cunt that no one calls out for abandoning her baby and husband for two decades because her hippie dragon shit was more important to her? She ruined the franchise if you ask me.

I swear to god this is some kind of brainwashing plan by Disney to destroy the concept of long term relationships so that the only place people can find a feeling of comfort and belonging is through their movies.

I haven't watched that much of the tv series, but the movies should've presented more evil dragon scenarios or people legitimately hurt by dragons with actual reasons to hate them. Besides Drago, but without the megalomaniac bs.

It's not THAT deep, but it really does send a bad message to the younger, more impressionable folks out there.

If anything, at this point, saying that staying the same is OK as long as both of you are happy and love eachother (whether it be as friends, family, couple, etc.), and that leaving people behind can be pretty fucked up, is the more subversive narrative.

1) It doesn't hold up to logic. If the bad guys are a threat to the Berkians when the Berkians HAVE dragons, there's no reason why the baddies wouldn't show up and just start torturing and killing, yelling "where'd the fucking dragons go?" until they get an answer. You can't say that the vikings had no choice but to give up their dragons, when without the dragons it'd be even easier for the bad guys to get their own way.
(2) Beyond that though, it's the writers who established that the bad guys were that big a threat. Writers are the gods of their universes, they could've just as easily written a story where the bad guys lose so utterly that Hiccup and his people don't have to give dragons up.

Ultimately the moral is shit. "People shouldn't be allowed to tame horses. Why? Because there are fuckers out there who would use horses in war. Cavalry and shit. All the horses must be set free!"

Why'd they even do that anyway?

You create artificial conflict, but wrap it up quickly and make the character sympathetic (like giving them motherly tendencies or a song). Notice how Stoic just forgives her instantly and so does Hiccup?

Pacifist vikings is an irritatingly running theme within the series. They walk around with axes, swords, and maces, but don't actually use them for their lethality.

And it shows Dreamworks is incapable of crossing that line. Non-lethal and Viking are words that do not go together. Especially, when you are flying fucking dragons.

All 3 movies are pretty dumb.

I watched the show, and the main enemy was just really good at catching dragons. By that I mean a group of teenagers were really bad at using flying mounts to fight slow moving and poorly armed ships.

If the movies really wanted to justify their ending, they would have had to show the dragons themselves getting hurt as a consequence of being near hiccup and crew AND that wild dragons were safe from said danger. The people who were hunting the dragons are going to be hunting them regardless of what hiccup does or where he hides them. As is, his motivation was dumb self sacrificing garbage which ultimately just sets his clan back and does nothing for his pets.

Oibk oink oink

Eh, they killed the big dragon in the first movie, which was the only real villain available in that story. Went downhill from there. The sequels were a mistake.

Like Star Vs, I knew httyd was never good

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Because the writing of that movie was a mess. She was originally supposed to be the villain.

It's a unrealistic kids movie and I think that's looking too into something from fucking Dreamworks
Let alone Hiccup getting destroyed with other clans, if these were real vikings he would have been killed by his own gang the moment it looked like he tried to turn on them and "tame" dragons

>"So basically, we should shoot all the dogs in the world into space, so nobody can train them to bite people."

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TOOT TOOT move away, superior dragon franchise incoming

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Im pretty sure the writers literally ran out of ideas and took from the book for more material

That had a cgi movie too didn't it?

>they bring back HTTYD with more sequels
>except the people who have dragons now aren't Vikings but people from other countries and continents with dragons much different from the Norway kind
>they also introduce cultures who have tamed other mythical animals that aren't dragons

Would anyone buy it?

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style is too melty.

>Franchise ends with everyone willingly giving up all the magic in the world because it's time to grow up now put your toys away Timmy
>they also toss their magic mounts into the Secret World and throw away the key and no one in their universe ever mentions them ever again for the rest of time
Fuck no, you know they'd just get to bullshit like that. I'd rather we just had the one movie and could imagine what happened afterward without wasting time.

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How To Train Your Dragon was a nice series of books and one good but very different movie.

Ahh no.

>Murrlogic
>An Internet Legend

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Is this a metaphor for gun control?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Possibly.

no, because he later brings his kids to meet the dragons.
They just thought they were being clever by tacking on the ending of the books, even though it fit like a square peg in a round hole at that point.

I mean what defiend legend, from your perspective.

Polyle on rule 34 paheal as is a faggot.

It's just weird to see a movie take the stance "it's wrong to want these kinds of adventures to happen."

Thank you

It's pretty telling that all I remember about the villain in the third movie is that he was pretty thin and had an accent. I think.

don't worry. They'd probably revive the franchise once the next DW movie flops.

The modern world is pushing a dynamic where people have to cross states and countries chasing jobs, leaving behind friends and family. Disney wants to solidify the idea that this is perfectly normal and healthy when mental health professionals will line up to tell you that pulling up everything and going off without support is proving to be bad more often than not.

You're reading far too much into a couple shitty movies. Disney, first and foremost, wants you to give them money, they do not give two shits about how you approach job prospects because people all come to THEM, they are not actually invested in manipulating the job market because they fucking are the job market and it ebbs and flows at their whims, they have no need or want for manipulation. Furthermore, by "modern world", do you mean the twentieth century, because people have been moving to cities en masse to get jobs for over a hundred years at this point.

Perhaps a better way of putting it is that Disney wants to make money by telling people that their current state is normal and fine, when it's not. And while you could argue that putting great distance between family members on a large scale isn't new (it's... kinda new in the grand scheme of things), putting a positive spin on "the kid has to move to a long distance, and may never be seen again... and that's just fine, and normal, and a perfectly standard part of life!" is a relatively recent development. What was commonly seen as a tragedy caused by family hardship is being repackaged as just a standard part of becoming an adult.

I see the intent, but it is a super unsatisfying conclusion to a series where everything revolved around a very awesome idea.
And it's extremely sloppy with the reasoning.
This needed a LOT more explaining and a way to hammer the logic home.
We needed a world that viewed dragons as a weapon of conquest, and by extension the dragon riders as an invasion army ready to strike.
But that is not what we got.
It was just a few greedy lords trying to catch dragons by means of weapons that coukd already overcome dragons.
Which makes dragons obsolete, really.
If the word lashed out in fear, sending a coalition force to wipe out this terrifying threat, then abandoning dragons would have been the right choice.
But it was just foolish adventurers with completely ridiculous fleets that should financially ruin empires.
The core idea of the movie required a reasonable antagonist with legitimate motivation to justify the actions of the protagonist.
We did not get that. We got cartoons that would be fun to spank for another three movies.
We needed The Tragedy of Great Power Politics go justify a conclusion of breaking the wheel.
We got fucking super sentai instead, leaving the conclusion thematically jarring.
The ending was entirely unearned by the beginning and middle.
And especially after two movies in which they had built a harmonious society with dragons.

Well said.

Checked quint satan

Dumb fat-ear elf.

Hiccup was cuter when he was a skinny manlet

The book series was better at explaining why dragons and humans couldn't at that point in time be together for a number of reasons. Dragons were smarter, dragons were enslaved by all humans, they were also much more dangerous,etc, etc.

Read the books, people. They're pretty good, for a children's series.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one cranky about that.

this shit happens all the time in these fantasy series, the magic "leaving" in some way because normalcy is so easy for muh bittersweet ending

becuase she serves not only to be the expositioner a bit of the movie but shes the reflective foil to hiccup

we have his dad in the first movie as hiccups complete opposite and everything he wants to be but isnt
and his mom in the second movie which is somewhat what he is but having made different choices
remember in 1 hiccup was going to leave until he was caught by astrid and it was becuase she understood dragons that hiccup gained the hope to want to try and change everyone else's minds about them while valka was too jaded to try

both movies compare and contrast hiccup to his parents but show how hiccup is different in being more willing to make a change

>They defeat the bad guy like they beat every bad guy yet still act like they lose and can't keep the dragons
>Met multiple cultures that lived with dragons before so Hiccup knows it is possible to do for multiple generations
>Live on top a giant mountain island that is fucking impossible to live on without giant flying monsters to get people easily down
>No one had a choice in giving up their dragons because Toothless is the alpha and can just take them because hiccup said to
>No one even seemed to truly care or love the dragons as they do nothing to put up a fight or argue against a choice they didn't make, they just do it for no reason after years of having these new family members
>Dragon hole is literally a simply flight away from the island, not even a full days worth of travel, literally no reason for the dragons to stay in one place or the other
>Unless every single dragon all over the world went into the hole the only people protecting them just stopped, the hunters can easily regroup and start again with no one stopping them
>If this is wrong and every single dragon everywhere is now gone, then multiple cultures and ecosystems are going to fall apart
>Ending scene where Hiccup takes his kids to see Toothless completely ruins any emotions from the previous scene because it is clear he can literally visit his best friend whenever the fuck he wants to
I'm glad other people are finally realizing how fucking terrible this ending is. And all of this is just off the top of my head a few months after seeing the film. I'm sure there is MUCH more to be said about this fucking travesty

its one of the tropes I hate the most.

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