Steven Universe gets a decent finale, after finale movie and another season to tie up loose ends

>Steven Universe gets a decent finale, after finale movie and another season to tie up loose ends
>Meanwhile every other major cartoon of the past decade gets a finale that is either insultingly bad and leaves a stain on the whole series(GF, STFOE) or is rushed and leaves you wanting more(WOY)
Why? Most people will say it's because SU got more seasons but AT got 10 seasons and it still ended with a whimper. It seems like most people start cartoons without really having any idea how to end them so they have to create one on the fly while Becky had the story planned from the start so it flows together. Kinda like the difference between TLA and LoK.

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>another season to tie up loose ends
Literally zombie universe. This has not been satisfying.

You cannot provide a good end to your show if you hate the main character and only care about shipping your waifus together

Yeah I would definitely say they had no fucking idea what was gonna happen. Its kinda evident in the fact that they only started to do (significant) story arcs a few seasons in

It's not unusually for a series finale to be a showcase of a lot of show characters and a chance for them to pitch in. That part of the Adventure Time finale was not unusual. What was unusual was that the main character had already been largely sidelined in the season to begin with, so it was just another instance of him not getting to shine.

I'll forever hate this, Fin is supposed to be their friend,

Shows aren't designed around having endings. They're designed around being able to make as many episodes as possible.

Cartoons even HAVING endings and not just ending on 'another episode' is actually pretty new and unusual.

It's really, really hard to write a proper series when you have no clue when it's going to end.

Steven Universe had a first season that was similar to Adventure Time in that it was entirely episodic. Once it got renewed for future seasons, they were able to turn it immediately into a serialized series. Adventure Time existed almost entirely as a episodic-based series with bits of story-related episodes along the way.

But if you imagine that Steven Universe was cancelled mid-season 4, it would've been an entirely different scenario. So writers have to write their series knowing that each season could either be the last, or it could last another 6+ seasons after.

SU was actually (loosely) planned from the start, but was also written on the assumption that it could fail and be cancelled after one season, That's why season 1 felt so different and could have even served as a self-contained series. They made the series more serialized after season 1 because they were more confident in the show's long-term success after that.

>Steven Universe gets a decent finale, after finale movie and another season to tie up loose ends
the show is not over yet, how do you know its a "decent" finale?
If you are talking about Future as a whole that is in no way a "decent" end to all this. It's better than CYM, yes, and its a show that got a second chance after a major fucking disappointment which IS rare, but that doesn't mean its good.
WOY still outshines all of you freaks

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yeah wasn't that addressed the crew who was making Angry Beavers? Where they tried to get a episode made where dag and norb point out that the network was just gonna end the final season abruptly and rerun previous episodes without the public ever knowing the show was finished?

Chane your Mind was godawful. If the Movie didn't exist I'd be legitimately pissed if the series ended there.

> Why?
Because showrunners and writters plan for their shows to end way earlier, but network execs like to drag on anything that does moderately okay till it bleeds.

That depends. A network orders a show by the season. The writers know what time frame they are working with from the start and have an idea of if they will be continued or not based on their ratings. Things get messy when they have an ending already worked out but unexpectedly get a continuation or cancellation.

Was Pen Ward involved in the finale at all? Like, it just seemed like it was so divorced from the original pitch.

>Steven Universe gets a decent finale
>the threat they have been fighting since the first season is resolved with 'lol im just a kid chill grandma'

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stop forgetting about regular show god damn it
although it was cancelled last minute and had a rushed ending, but it did end the way it was intended to (unlike woy)

I think he started stepping down around season 4 or 5 and was completely gone by 6. He made his name for himself then passed of the reigns before the show went on too long and became trash. I think he just does guest writing now days.

True words.

>Steven Universe had a first season that was similar to Adventure Time in that it was entirely episodic
There are only a handful of episodes in Season 1 that are truly episodic. Steven and the Stevens introduces time travel which is never mentioned again, Together Breakfast introduces some kind of smoke that can possess inanimate objects and Frybo introduces gem shards that can possess objects.
But other than those every other episode either introduces a power that would be developed in other episodes, future vision in Arcade Mania, fusion in Giant Woman, Steven's age being tied to his mentality in So Many Birthdays, etc.
We learn more about corrupted gems in Monster Buddies and the concept of healing them is introduced.
One The Run reveals Kindergartens.
Other episodes(like The Test, Space Race) develop characters and Steven's relationship to them which is extremely important for making you grow attached to characters and enjoy a series.
Even the townie episodes serve to fill out the cast and make the show feel less empty. Although I definitely agree they could've done more with them.
Then you have plot important episodes like Ocean Gem and Jailbreak which set up events for the entire show.

I have never seen adventure time and regret not doing so at peak of popularity. Should I?

>Chane your Mind was godawful
Compared to what? Some mythical cartoon finale that doesn't exist? Because if you compare it to shit like Cleaved and Weirdmageddon it's gold.

>>Steven Universe gets a decent finale
lolno
this is gonna be garbo.

It's starts with that early 2010 humor that hasn't aged too well. I marathoned the series last year and it pretty fine if just super shippy near the end. Thinking of the show as a DnD game helped me get through it.

>if you compare this pile of shit to these mountains of shit, it doesn't look that bad

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You missed the point. White Diamond up until Change Your Mind had been under the impression that Pink was still alive, she viewed the whole rebellion as the equivalent of a teenage hissyfit and thought she was teaching Pink a lesson. But when she pulled out Steven's gem and it turned out Pink really was gone it made White realize just how serious Pink's convictions were and made her reconsider her beliefs, because if her hard-heartedness had lead to the death of one of the only people she cared about then maybe she needed to change.

Change Your Mind was Pink's victory not Steven's and more people need to understand that.

You should compare things to things that actually exist not your idealization of how things should be.

>took centuries to realize her daughter was "dead"
>ok im sorry, im good now
>please forget all the war crimes and awful shit we did to our people k thx
I swear Rebecca

If the things we are talking about are 10's cartoon endings then Regular Show finale does laps all over CYM

The SU "finale" was complete and utter shit though. Did people seriously enjoy that rushed garbage?

>dude lets do something completely mundane
>wow something wacky and lolrandom happened instead
>rinse and repeat for eight seasons.

And yet it's more engaging than SU

>took centuries to realize her daughter was "dead"
She wasn't dead for centuries you fucking retard, she only died when gave her life for Steven. Holy fuck did you even watch the show?

Watching Season 1 is like entering a time machine. The humor maybe made sense at the time but it has aged horribly. Seasons 2-4 are peak Adventure Time with a lot of great episodes. Even 5 is pretty good if I'm remembering correctly. Past that point you can either watch it all, or simply find the best episodes and watch only those. There are still some really amazing standalone episodes in later seasons that are worth your time. I'd also recommend the Islands miniseries which was pretty important.

Peak popularity Adventure Time was pretty cool. Even if what was on the other side was a lot of garbage, we we're living in a bit of a cartoon renaissance and everyone felt it. AT felt special because of that.

For the TTG crowd.

You and me both. It was very disheartening to see them doing this to Finn. After all he's done for them, they just shit on him like this.

Still she spent centuries waiting for her daughter who was allegedly killed by a rebel to appear someday?

>For the TTG crowd.
Yes for shows people actually watch

White always knew Pink was Rose Quartz. She went along with the rebellion as part of a long term scheme to punished Pink, the only thing she didn't plan for is Pink giving up her life to create Steven.

>She went along with the rebellion as part of a long term scheme to punished Pink,
Then why didn't she tell Blue and Yellow? Why did she let those two treat their people like guinea pigs?

>Then why didn't she tell Blue and Yellow
Because keeping secrets and hiding her emotions was her major personality flaw.
>Why did she let those two treat their people like guinea pigs
In a caste system the lives of those on the bottom aren't that important.

So not only the Diamonds shouldn't have been redeemed for mistreating their citizens but for also not giving a shit about each other as well?

And the Emperor of Japan should've been prosecuted along with Tojo. But you've got to ask yourself, is punishing someone for their crimes and potentially causing war and chaos more important than keeping them in power and creating peace and liberty?

>more important than keeping them in power and creating peace and liberty
but the most of the lesser gems species were treated as slaves or cannon fodder and their method of gathering resources was either through planet destroying weapons or planting child soldiers in the planet they were invading

And now they're changing the Gempire for the better, would you rather try to punish the Diamonds, fail because they're stronger than everybody and then have nothing change?

this is about series finales retard

>And now they're changing the Gempire for the better
While everyone forgetting they've been doing evil shit for centuries and even more, that's like saying we should forgive North Korea if they try to turn the page because they have nukes aimed at important cities in the world

Actually it would be like if North Korea reformed, cut it's military budget and started giving liberty to it's citizens but kept the Kims in power. Anyone who suggested a regime change would rightly be looked at as a batshit insane warhawk.

The GF finale wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It was disappointing compared to how great some of the earlier episodes were, but it was not "insultingly bad." It was merely okay.

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Regular show had a pretty good ending though

This. I actually didn't mind the gravity falls ending. Sure at some points it felt like a cop out with Grunkle Stan and that whole symbol business, but it was okay at best, meh at worst.

Now Adventure Time? Holy shit was a flop.
Kora? And Star VS? The bad endings didn't come as a surprise considering how bad both shows turned but gooooddddd.
Korra did a surprise ship out of nowhere and ended like a wet fart while Star just went woopsy-daisy and committed crimes against humanity. It even ends with literal scenes of people being tortured and confused.

Regular Show...
I actually liked it.

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Gravity Falls should be under rushed and leaving you wanting more. Weirdmageddon itself was fine, too, the rest of the series should have just had a dozen more episodes.

Can we just appreciate shows that had good endings in the 10s? Like Chowder and Clarence?

>comparing the shit storm that was Cleaved to Weirdmageddon, a decent if flawed finale that's only shat upon by people who thought the show would have an Eva-style conclusion
You're going too far.

These had endings?! I'll have to look them up some time.

I think Hirsch was worried about things dragging after central mystery of the show (the author of the journals) was revealed. To avoid letting the show become boring and stale, he went too far in the other direction and rushed it.
Journal 3 helped the ending a lot by giving Ford an actual character arc to conclude, but it's not the same as having a well-timed finale within the actual show.

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It's really simple.
Steven Universe was well thought out and was popular enough and supported enough to be carried into a decent, planned finale.
The others were meddled into (in the case of Disney shows), not well thought out (in the case of some CN shows) or both (in the case of Gravity Falls after they revealed the author of the books because they forgot to make more mysteries when that's the main hook of the entire show).

You're thinking if the Diamonds as just bring despots when they're far closer to deities.
Like it's not just keeping the Kims in power, it's keeping them in power if all the batshit propaganda making myths around them had at least some grounding in reality.

Damn right they went too far the other way! The show was episodic enough and they were showing that even with Stanford they could have done at least half a dozen more.

You should generally try and plan for your franchise to last forever. "Muh series finale" only appeals to weebs that believe they're the target audience for children's media.

didn't watch gravity falls. why do people hate the ending?

>Grunkle Stan sacraficed himself, only for a few minutes later him to be A-OKAY so Anons felt jipped
>Mystery Buildup from previous episodes were brushed under the rug