Rebooting the marvel universe

Literally every single retcon only made Marvel even shittier so no, no reboot, in fact erase most retcons.
>Beyounder is no longer a cosmic cube
>No more One More Day
>Donald Blake and Thor are one single person
>F4 turning into monsters was Reed fault
>Sentry possibly never existed and is never mentioned outside his first story

>Carol getting even more of a downgrade as a fat tumblrinai with half shaved dyed hair
>If only they didn’t put her back in her black costume for fat acceptance

It makes sense for individual series at DC where the universe is spread out and less built for inter-connectivity. Marvel is an endless crossover, so bringing the books together on a physical level makes a hell of a lot more sense. Also, there needs to be an EIC with a vision like Jim Shooter.

I hate to break it to you but Jim Shooter's vision looked pretty much the same as what Marvel's been doing for the past 20 years.

Well, maybe in regard to New Universe, but not much else.

Shooter was all about big events and crossovers. His strength as EiC was always in this people management.

I really feel like a Marvel reboot is necessary at this point. It's just an endless string of retcons given the compressing timeline.

Let it happen in 2021. 60 years is a good run.

I've been done with 616 for about 5 years now, but a reboot would bring me back. The characters have been around so long, with so many different writers and storylines, that many of them are actually psychotic or suffer personality disorders when you consider all that has gone on in the "15 years" that 616 has been running. Especially X-Men, my God.

The X-Men's timeline has been condensed down to ten years as of HoXPox.

This I like.

616 has the same timeline, what gets retconned is when people "start". The timeline begins with the Fantastic Four going into space, which is the 1961 comic. Where everyone else falls after that is constantly moving and being retconned. But FF begins the current 15 year timeline (which will begin year 16 in 2021).

Even with moving the target start date, X-Men technically has storylines going back to 1962. Characterization has changed dramatically for pretty much all X-Men. Events which were considered emotionally devastating before are now merely blips. X-Men has suffered scope creep worst out of all of the Marvel properties.

I'm saying that the X-franchise has made what you're talking about even worse. I'm not even sure how exactly how a lot of X-characters are even supposed to work on such a short timescale.

>>There is no "50s Impostor" Cap or Jeff Mace. It all was Steve Rogers, and he has to come to terms with his past. Not to a Millar-like extent of making him a racist, but no easy outs to make him so high and mighty

I wouldn't make it canon, but I would want to see someone do a take on that.

kill every woman and nigger

Give Matt his religious faith back.

>start with mutants and the x-men
>groups like the avengers and the fantastic four are paramilitary organizations developed specifically to act as a deterrent against mutants
>most "first wave" vigilantes and villains (like spider-man, hulk, modok, etc.) are collateral results of a government/mutant arms race.

Oh, and regarding major character omissions, I'd get rid of Captain American and Thor.

Why?

I dunno, but I'd start by firing every marvel writer and editor who cannot do 30 pushups all in one go. Twice a year, the number will increase by 5 until only the most swole remain. That'll get rid of all the women, and all the """men""" that share the """ideology""" responsible for the shit we've been forced to wade through. Fixing it after that should be easy enough, a lot of answers here already. But you cannot fix for long what those people will ruin a day later.

Attached: 1584668679446.png (1714x1076, 2.91M)

>Real question, how would you reboot the marvel universe?
1) Learn from DC's mistakes, you can't half-ass a reboot and keep some books running with minimal changes, you have to start everything over again from a blank slate.

2) Ultimate Marvel proved writers will use a reboot as an opportunity to re-tell all the classic stories again. With this in mind, any stories that caused permanent damage to a character are off-limits. You can't make Hank Pym a wifebeater, you can't do House of M to Scarlet Witch, you can't make Bishop kill billions, or anything else like that.

3) Assuming we can't purge all of the Wendigs and xehuggers from Marvel's 'talent' pool, they will reboot everything to look like the new New Warriors, so there must be a rule that if a character was created white and straight, they must remain white and straight in the reboot, regardless of what writers who didn't create them have done.

>What would you change/keep?
Change - no love triangles, breakups or cuck stories involving married characters. Once they're married, they're off-limits for any of that. All hero + heroine marriages that happened in the original continuity will happen again in the reboot.

>Hard mode: remove some characters in general
Remove X-Men from Marvel, as it's own separate continuity. Any non-X-book mutants will no longer be mutants and get new origins to explain their powers. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch would be considered Avengers characters, and Firestar would be part of the Spider-Man/New Warriors part of Marvel.

Like ultimate?

I'd just reboot it back to 1985-ish

That idea that spider-man comic did a lil while ago? Its been done before? Life n times or something right?
So you take the entire multiverse and its history, you write one consistent story including all of it, you dont rush through good stuff, you cut and smooth out the retcons, you basically rewrite and redraw in a limited capacity to streamline the entire universe, until heroes can have a natural end, you carry on the legacies until the universes converge, and you end on a single day in that new universe, end on how the battle between good and evil never ends, and how hope always prevails, in a real message to the fans kinda way.
The Final Reboot.

>30 pushups
>swole

Attached: 1580353431897.jpg (354x268, 31.92K)

>asgard vs the ice giants, maybe 1602 esque mutants to help
>shield formed late 1800/early 1900 after some cosmic wizard fuckery so tech lead makes sense
>Captain America during both world wars, symbolic figure eventually becomes ubermensch idea
>nothing until moon landing which goes wrong and creates fantastic four

I'd trick people into thinking it's a slow burn and then at this point unleash the multiple plot threads across many books. Noir Spidey works for nasa also

Also Hiroshima was actually one of the many Hulks accidentally created on accident and end game is world war hulk but the different colours are warlords a la battleworlds

This sounds stupid and bad

I'd probably just combine Earth X and Ultimate.

>Masque from the Morlocks starts going after all the super-model looking heroes, and makes them look like Deviant-Art's SJW takes on the characters.
Sounds like Yas Forums could make this their project of the week. We haven't really had any big community OC since the Billy/Carol SHAZAM!/Captain Marvel threads.

How would the mutant universe work and what would be changed about mutants and whats their new origin?

30 push ups is the start, user. Then it increases until only the swole remain.

If only I knew how to draw. Let’s start with the obvious. Jean Grey becomes a chubby black girl with vitiligo

>Hank never hit Janet, but he did have dangerous psychotic fits that scared her off
I think that was originally Shooter's intent.

Not a bad time point. There are still some unexpected places to go with things like the black Spidey costume.

The biggest problem would be having a competent editorial to keep everything runing smoothly.
If New 52 can be used as a case study, would a steady hand guiding the process, in 5 years we would end up in a bigger mess than the one we started with.

If it's bad right now don't even think about reboot.

Attached: 1461470128214.jpg (770x847, 74.74K)

The in-Universe date is the late seventies, the social norms of the era apply. We're about three years into continuity, everything is drawn in classic Neal Adams style. Death is permanent, no ressurections ever. There's an edgy realism, (like Ostrander's Suicide Squad, not Ultimatum.)

Everyone knows when comics were best.

remove franklin richards

>everything is drawn in classic Neal Adams style

I'm all for artists having different styles, but having a house style for everyone to adapt to for a few years would definitely improve things.

give top authors creative freedom

I would just go back to the time Busiek was writing Avengers and Morrison was writing X-Men.

>Hard mode: remove some characters in general

>Carol Danvers
>America Chavez
>Kamala
>Miles
>Honey Badger
>Bunker
>Speed & Wiccan

>"hard"

I'm bored and in lockdown mode so I gave it a little thought. I streamlined the main storyline so other writers could be able to insert the characters I did not mention. Also, I tried to work mostly with stuff that didn't deviate too much from what we've already seen, just adding a new coat of paint to make it feel fresh.
The main problem is that the 616 universe has too much stuff happening at the same time, so it's kinda hard to work everything into one single timeline, that's why you end with stuff like "Fury's big week" in the MCU. Also, I don't have knowledge about obscure stuff like the things Waid used in his "History of the Marvel Universe" so bear with me:

>It's 1945, war is raging around the world and the allies are looking for a way to turn the tides of the battle. Professor Erskine reachs the USA government to expose the project he was working on before the Führer went full NAIN NAIN NAIN: the Super Soldier Serum. His only condition was that he would personally oversee the project, and had the final say at the choice of the subject. Captain America is created, him and his howling comandos turn the war around, Bucky is captured by Hydra and Steve is presumed dead trying to stop a missile heading for the US.
The only change made to up is that Bucky is an actual soldier. This is also the last time an actual date will be mentioned.

>The next years are uneventful. Rumours of super spies ducking it out during the cold war run amok, but no major incidents at the time.

>Unaware to the public, the twilight of the gods has come yet again, sending the deities into their renewing slumber. However, one of them was left out of this: Odin's firstborn, Thor, whose hubris almost cost all of the creation in the Ragnarok, and thus, was sentenced by his father to be born and live as a human being, to learn humility and compassion until the gods were awake once again. In the present day, Doctor Donald Blake lives his life unaware of his origins.

Attached: spidey.jpg (554x796, 119.91K)

The golden age was Cap and the Invaders
The Silver age was Sentry and Blue Marvel saving the world.
Modern age is everything current Marvel

Would be nice. Have an X-Book monthly, then an Earth's Mightiest with Avengers, Cap, Iron Man, Thor, maybe a Dr Strange and Carol stories in it.
Then maybe a street level book with Spider-Man, Daredevil, Luke Cage and Iron Fist,

>Five years before the present day, genius billionaire Tony Stark was mortally wounded and kidnapped while atending to an exibition of his latest weapons in Quiruquistain. His life was saved by the hands of Doctor Yinsen, who also helped him to construct a suit of armor to scape captivity, but was ultimately killed during the scape. After this, Tony Stark has shut himself from the world, and little is know about his actions.
I made up a fictional country where Tony was ambushed to avoid the problem of always tying him to a war that ends up aging the character and to avoid controversy in the (((current day))).

>Three years before the present day, Doctor Reed Richards spearheaded a project to colonize Mars, which ran into the problem of no one wanting to go to frickin Mars. Out of options, Reed decided to go with his own team composed of his wife, his brother-in-law and his best friend, and prove everyone wrong. However, before reaching Mars, the shuttle was struck by an unprecedent cosmic storm which poisoned every member of the team. Without the necessary equipament to heal everyone, Reed was only able to mantain them alive and their bodies working around the radiation until they could come back to Earth. The trip back took months, and in the meantime their physiology were slowly turned into something more than human, that encompassed the cosmic radiation. Reed has been expending the last years trying to undo the damage his pride made to his family and friends.

Attached: cap.jpg (1400x700, 253.99K)

Make a bunch of cartoons with consistent art stylrs and shared continuity. Have the comics be the scripts of said cartoons and have the art be as faithful to the cartoons as possible. People who love the cartoons will then buy the comic to know what happens first.

>For the past ten years, the streets of New York have been haunted by "the Spider-man", an urban legend who suposedly catches criminals just like flies. What they don't know is that as a teenager, Peter Paker was biten by a genetically altered spider from an experiment to weaponize those creatures, during a field trip to a research facility. The incident was covered up by the government and the facility closed down, but little do they know it was an unexpected success as the spider was able to imprint its characteristics into Peter's body. All these years, J. Jonah Jameson has been charging an one man crusade against the "webed menace", whether people believe in its existence or not, without the knowledge that his ex-intern photographer was indeed his elusive target. Nowadays, Peter Parker works as a forensics scientist for the NYPD, which not only grants him easy access to the things he need to keep his "second job", but keeps him informed of criminal activities around the city. In this continuity, Pete's story kicks off in the Goblin Saga, as NY residents watch in disbelief as the indrustialist Norman Osborn faces of against the fabled "spider-man", in a battle that ultimately ends up with the death of Gwen Stacy, Captain Stacy's daughter and Peter's fiancée.
Having Spidey being active for a while away from the public eye makes it possible for iconic sagas like "If this be my destiny" and "Kraven's last hunt" to still be canon, while cleaning the slate from dumb shit like sins past, Aunt May's repeated deaths and totem bullshit. Spider-man first actual storyline would be the Goblin Saga.

Attached: 6ce36ba93e13ec002d2fe7399e23c2ab.png (235x354, 209.53K)

fuck off Yas Forums

>In the present day, humanity is taken by storm by a silver clad being with a grim annoucement: Galactus has come to devour the world. Having his own god-spark being ignited by the Silver Surfer, Donald Blake turns into The Mighty Thor for the first time and battles the entity to a stand still, just when the devourer of worlds comes to claim his prize. Amidst this calamity, Tony Stark unleashes the project he's been working for the last 5 years: The Iron Man, an advanced suit of armor capable of incredible feats, and heads to battle the enemy. Spider-man, still shaken by Gwen's death, has no time to think as the screams of people asking for help makes his sixth-sense tingle like never before. Thor also engages the purple titan with all the fury of the gods. Reed, however, understand that brute force alone wouldn't defeat the enemy, and rallies his team to head to the battlefield and look for a way to defeat Galactus. Amazed by those extraordinary acts of heroism and selflessness changes sides and tells Reed about the only weapon that could stop the titan: the ultimate nulifier. While the Iron Man, Thor, Spider-Man and the rest of the Fantastic Four struggle to hold off Galactus, Reed and the Surfer build the ultimate nulifier. Surprised by the Surfer betrayal and afraid the inferior mammal being couldn't comprehend the power of the weapon he was holding, Galactus withdraws from battle with a promise: he would be back for earth.

Attached: Thor.jpg (1146x1045, 364.91K)

Mutants existing is what makes Marvel Earth into an absolute shithole with evil governments everywhere, random citizens have all costumes and are just plain evil torch wielding mobs, secret police imprisoning everyone and the future is always some grim war torn dystopia with superpowered warlords and giant robots murdering everything.

Removing X-Men from 616 makes the place ten times sunnier since we never see any of this shit in a Cap, FF, Thor, or Spidey book ever. But we know it's there because Wolverine escaped a government lab and rescued 10 mutant orphans the US government was experimenting on last week, after coming back from the future where all heroes are long dead and super sentinels are killing everybody.

If X-Fags want their shithole Earth, then give them their own shithole Earth to play in and leave the FF books alone.

>The heroes are now idolized as the saviors of the planet, althought J. Jonah Jameson refuses to back down from his war against Spider-Man since, in his words, he is the actual killer of Captain Stacy's daughter. Sheltered in their private school, Professor Charles Xavier and his best friend Erik Lehnsherr if the public is fanally able to accept humans doted of extraordinary capabilities.

>Meanwhile, in the frozen seas of the Bering Strait, a strange iceberg is found, with the shape of what seems like a man holding a shield inside.

I kept most of the heroes inactive so they could all come together at the same time to face Galactus, adapting the way in which everything seemed to happen at the same time in the original storyline. Also, Stark needing some years to actually build his armor, and the FF not immediately running around to be heroes feel more believable. That was my try, feel free to insert other characters into this timeline.

Attached: STAIRS!.jpg (602x1487, 310.26K)

It's kind of fucked when X-Men always has a much bleaker future than Ghost Rider or Dr Strange anytime they go there

*Sheltered in their private school, Professor Charles Xavier and his best friend Erik Lehnsherr argue if the public is finally able to accept humans doted of extraordinary capabilities.

Goddamn.

Heroes Reborn reboot in 96 did a couple things right that I wish would stick

>Mutants are in a separate universe, this world has no mutants
>Avengers are a SHIELD program where they hired and captured several superpowered humans and formed them into a team to help deal wit superpowered threats. SHIELD covered their bills and set them up with facilities, paid them, gave them vehicles etc
>FF were a science team that stole a rocket to study a weird cosmic energy headed to Earth, which was actually Silver Surfer, Doom had his agents fill the rocket with explosives to both kill Reed and take care of Surfer, which he discovered always flew to planets that later blew up with a month.
>SHIELD finds the crashed FF and asked for their help in stopping Atlanteans invading New York since the Avengers were on another mission at the time

SHIELD was more like the Incredibles National Supers Agency that helped them out and got them stuff. FF was only a super team when SHIELD asked for their help, otherwise they remained independent and went on science adventures.

Attached: heroes reborn.jpg (1576x2413, 473.34K)