2020 - Year of the Cop Outs

Except her bowing to Steven is the consequence. No consequences would be her going back to live in the woods again: stable status quo. See the difference, faggot?

This. I’m so sick of people thinking death is the only thing needed for stakes in a story

Steven literally shattered a gem. That’s not only going to have a consequence on his already fucked conscience but also likely on Jasper too

>Steven shattering a gem and having to deal with the fact that his nominally pacifist ass is capable of that while in an already shaky mental state, an action which directly caused someone who traditionally looked down at him to literally bend the knee, is neither stakes nor consequences

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Yeah because she didn’t die permanently! /s

Now redeeming or uncorrupting someone is now a consequence? This is some coping.

So crying and being upset makes a story interesting?

If that's how you read the scene you unironically have autism

>Now redeeming or uncorrupting someone is now a consequence?
Yes? What kind of question is that? Do you not know what the word consequence means?

Jasper didn't get redeemed though, she always bends the knee to people that overpower her without relying on fusion. She's acting as his soldier/steward, not his friend. Steven doesn't want someone being around him just because he's capable of killing them.

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Sometimes, yeah actually. Drama and personal struggles can be an interesting thing to explore in media. Not everything needs to go from 0 to death for there to be tension.

Consequence doesn't have to be negative. A consequence is just the result of an action.

And the year isn't over yet. Watch it happen in She-Ra as well.

"Redeeming" a character by going against your own moral code during a period of internal struggle is absolutely both a stake and a consequence, the stake is in Steven's mental health and the consequence is in Jasper now respecting Steven

Steven wins either way and ‘mug omg I can ackually do this imma monster’ is irrelevant when the damage is as reversible as corruption or organic death. It’s no different than hitting someone really hard now and all you need is maybe slightly more diamond juice to bring it back to status quo. And he’s moped over things just as reversible before like the Bismuth bubbling etc etc

That’s how he won over other characters too.

death is not the only consequence that needs to exist, that's true. But the lack of mortality takes away from the emotional connection to these characters. If they can die and be brought back to life, I care less about their emotional problems because they get infinite retries in what they did wrong. This is why most Disney movies aren't about god-like beings that can never die. If they could, what's the point in seeing them in danger? They can get away from it just fine, and if they don't, who cares?
The audience is left like Brock and Dr. Venture in the second season of Venture Bros. You can still like these characters and have fun with them, but any sense of real consequence is gone because they can always come back to life. No death means you don't have to worry if they are stuck in a death trap and die, they will stitch them back together with no problem.
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>‘mug omg I can ackually do this imma monster’ is irrelevant when the damage is as reversible as corruption or organic death.
He didn't know if he could heal her though, he was literally stammering "please work" repeatedly and only got lucky that his tears fell in the tub. The fact that he was capable of shattering someone was a massive break in his own moral code, it's the equivalent of a pacifist shooting someone in the stomach in a moment of rage and getting lucky that they didn't bleed to death.

>her bowing to Steven is the consequence. No consequences would be her going back to live in the woods again: stable status quo
but that is going to lead to a positive outcome. I know the action itself was dangerous, but the fact that she respects Steven now mean she is open for discussion. Look, she's standing next to the crystal gems and isn't disgusted or angry. By respecting Steven, Jasper can learn to tolerate his friends and eventually grow to like them. This does mark the beginning of Jasper learning to improve himself, and it took her to FUCKING DIE for it to happen.
I will give the show credit if they actually address the fact that Steven is a murderer as some heavy shit he will carry for the rest of his life, but we have only four episodes left and he has to deal with other things and get resolve. We are not getting and EVA-like arc where he has to deal with the fact that his hands where used to murder a gem in cold blood. If they do something about it, cool. If they dont, fuck this shit.

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I'm not really sure how dying in a pool as ink is gobbling your mind up is a "hollywood ending". The Hollywood ending is having a miserable fuck life to regret his actions or to get shot at. Bojack went with the first one.

Its a cartoon network show retard, theyre not going to have the protagonist fucking murder a non villain

>That's how he won over other characters too
No he didn't. He won over Lapis by getting her out of the mirror and healing her gem and he won over Peridot by being nice to her while the rest of the CGs wanted her in a bubble. He literally beat the Diamond by giving some shitty comeback instead of actually fighting

The only character he "won over" by overpowering was Bismuth, and that was just more of him getting a luck stab in with Rose's sword. Even then she didn't even really need to be redeemed, she was just angry at Rose for locking her up and not telling anyone and took it out on Steven

Dying is the Hollywood ending

But it IS reversible and the fact that it did work means that this could literally be applied to most other shattered gems or any problems like that in the future. It’s like being spooked about water for your wilting plants that you forgot to tend to and then discovering you had a constantly replenishing lake nearby.

The reason most people care about death is because it’s a permanent thing that you can’t take back. An accident that is easily fixed and that can easily be fixed in the future is not something anyone should worry about even if it goes against a ‘moral code’. It’s like crying over spilled milk when the milk can go back into the carton.

The big deal isn't about the potential death, although that obviously would be if it were permanent, it's about the fact that Steven intentionally acted in a manner that could have resulted in one. Other gems getting shattered can get revived now, yeah, but Steven -in the moment- reaching a point where he was basically willing to kill someone is going to fuck with him, because he traditionally operates on the idea of not fighting at all unless he has to, and saw shattering as something he would absolutely never do. It's completely contradictory to his character in a time where he's going through a crisis of character, that's what the big deal is.

Any punch, hit, kick, beam or any other offensive action he’s ever taken could have resulted in another gem being shattered and it’s only sheer luck and convience that it didn’t.

>but he’s not fighting to kill and doesn’t really mean it

Anytime anyone fights there’s always a chance of death no matter how unlikely. In other words he’s constantly been around this block a million times whether he was trying to be pacifist or not.

So you genuinely don't understand the concept of intent? There's not divide between someone doing something intentionally versus on accident? The difference between spilling a drink on someone versus pouring on them intentionally? Are u havin a giggle m8?

He never won over any character by brute force, don't know where you got this from

Intent means nothing now that what comes of it is impermenant

>what are the Lapises

That was Lapis, not Steven

Steven does not kill people, it's bad enough they changed his character around in SUF

>but that is going to lead to a positive outcome.
How do you know Jasper joining the group is a positive outcome yet, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE EPISODE. You're upset about the consequences of the action when the only consequence we've actually seen in context is Jasper bowing and calling Steven "My Diamond" and Steven being horrified at this. You're fighting phantoms.

My god you're one salty little bitch.

Jasper joining the heroes is literally the only chance she has of being happy because all three of them are now teachers that guide other lost gems. Steven wanted her to come with him to Little Homeworld so she could be helped by all of them. In what world is Jasper joining them NOT a good thing? Sure, the start is not good, but you could say the same about Peridot, Lapis and the Diamonds.

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THEN DONT HAVE THE CHARACTER LITERALLY COMMIT MURDER. Nobody would be complaining if he poofed her, or at the very least if he did what his mother did and create a hole in Jasper's gem. He murdered a gem but then brought her back, so it

>so it
meant to say: so don't even play with the idea of it if you're not gonna be fully committed.

Who cares if the consequence is positive? The point is that character actions have a lasting effect on the plot and the characters.

Bojack was always shit.
>Death is a shitty ending
You mean IRL or objectively story-wise or contextually story-wise?

Did that faggot horse finally kill himself?

Fuck you! The series pulled it off perfectly.

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But only positive consequences, there are no problems that stay permanent. Any bad thing that ever happens in the show can be fixed, and without death, the characters have the rest of eternity to fix their problems. Its like Care Bears: no bad thing has any consequence, but the good things do have consequence because it makes everyone get along with one another.

>there are no problems that stay permanent
No shit.

Hollywood ending is Bojack having a triumphant and epic happy ending.
Modern Hollywood ending is Bojack dying.
The patrician ending is him having to deal with his problems and staying alive.

>SUfag thinks he has any right to call other shows shit

Bojack Horseman > Steven Universe

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You are smart, user. I don't think you will be liked here.

Bruh, Pink Diamond's mind was erased from her gem. Every character has trauma, there's a massive crater where Russia's supposed to be, there's a blighted infertile Junji Ito hole wall where an ecosystem is supposed to be. You're talking out of your ass.

NORMAL WORDS

This was no cop out, this what exactly what co wanted, myself included! Steven snapping under the pressure, buff teen Steven, evil Steven moments, Steven straight up killing someone. The Gem King arises!
Now Steven has to deal with the consequences of Jasper joining the team. Always there, nudging him to join power at all costs, evil at no costs.

but a better show!

>Pink Diamond's mind was erased from her gem.
And everyone agrees that was for the best because she was a shithead.
>Every character has trauma
From which they can recover because they are now inmortal beings who have all the time in the universe to deal with their traumas
>there's a massive crater where Russia's supposed to be
That is never expanded on and has zero relevance to the plot
>there's a blighted infertile Junji Ito hole wall where an ecosystem is supposed to be
Which has not shown to bring any problems to the world.
>You're talking out of your ass.
You are the one bringing up details from the awful worldbuilding as evidence. The fact that you think those last two things had an actual impact when they have never fully explored shows how weak your argument is.

> it's a kids show so of course no problem stays permanent.
There's a difference between Disney making Frozen 2 where the conflict is kiddy enough that things can understandably be resolved and SU, where there are genocidal dictators, frankenstein abominations, a war that resulted in the death of millions, corruption that turns gems into monsters and even more. You don't get to treat both the same way. The plot of SU is filled with horrendous actions that should have consequences but they don't. Every villain is redeemed and don't need to suffer any criticism from what they have done. Spinel can come down to Earth and threaten to destroy an entire planet and can just walk away towards a palace 5 minutes after she felt bad about it. And now: Steven can kill a gem and bring them back minutes later.
No.Consequences.

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