Fuck "Mr. Universe"

To be fair, a lot of shows that were Yas Forums darlings have had endings that didnt really make any sense, Star vs. being the most recent example. Not saying itll happen but shit like that is making people assume the worst.

To be honest Steven doesn't understand Greg's experiences at all. It sure as heck is great having loving parents and a normal life but overly controlling parents is a fucking nightmare.
I was completely on Greg's side on this episode even though I agreed with Steven's needs and the fact that Greg wasn't great at giving Steven a normal childhood since he didn't know you can have both of best worlds.

>>character assassinate
oh I didnt know characters shouldnt have flaws and conflict between other characters
You said it yourself, he is a fucking badass still, its just that were seeing everything through Steven's eyes, right now he feels like Greg is a brat, but we know its just his pink metaphor for hormones and trauma

Rebecca as far as I know loves her family. Her dad used to post her demos on youtube

Well I don't know what Yas Forums thought was gonna happen with Star Vs. finale because I didn't keep up with season 4 when it was coming out and instead just binged it in one day. But it certainly wouldn't have been better than what actually ended up happening. At that point it's just kind of written itself into a corner and escaped it by concluding all its previous events in a way that doesn't make sense.
There's a paralell to be drawn here, honestly

Star vs. - Star finds out many of her problems were tied to magic , her solution: get rid of all the magic
SUF - Steven finds out many of his problems were caused by his family putting expectations on him, Yas Forums's brilliant solution: separate himself from his family

Greg lost my support when he lied about his leg being broken and kept warping Steven away from that storm crystal so he could bring him the remote or get him donuts. Fight me. Don't really fight me. I'm going to bed after posting this.

>I'm going to bed after posting this.
That'd be the perfect time for an ambush, you asked for it.

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How can you be on Greg’s side when he’s fully aware that Steven’s messed up and still thinks Steven has it easier than him?

>separate himself from his family
I mean, that is the modern solution to everything. If something bothers you, ignore it or walk away.

Steven is messed up because of the gems, not because of the way Greg raised him
Even if he had a normal house with a normal family and a normal school life, the gems would be as stressful as ever, and maybe worse because he wouldn't get to earth in time FOR THE PROM

he never got married

I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about Greg directly comparing his life to Steven’s and thinking he had it harder

Yeah, there are people who genuinely think this way.
> Oh , someone you love was unknowingly hurting you by doing something they thought was good for you, because people are flawed? No actually they're abusive fuck them, leave forever and never speak to them again.
This is basically the attitude of 2015 Tumblr teens, so basically what was once 80% of the show's demographic. It would be the absolute dumbest thing for the show to say now that all the happy moments Steven had with his family and everything they've done for him is now nullified because actually they've been evil all along.

Millionaire Father of 16 year old son complaining about having a curfew to his 16 year old son in his son's grandparents' house who he never told them about.

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Greg let aliens raise his son and just fucked off
What level of education of Steven even have, can he even socialize with normal people outside his little town/bubble.

>Greg raised him
lol he taught him how to play a guitar that's about it

The thing with Star Vs is that the crew didn’t plan out anything after s1-s2 had ended, resulting in a lot of bullshit. And while we don’t know if SU:F has a outline like SU, its safe to assume that to be the case.

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Greg's got a lot of unpacked baggage and is avoiding his own problems. Like father; like son.

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Why the fuck does Steven have black hair and a curly afro

oh no, yeah, he was totally wrong
but the description of greg's life doesn't sound emotionally healthy at all when he finally got to listen to music around 16. Imagine the toll of living like that, not even being able to yell at his parents.
Greg never had it as hard as Steven, but it's still pretty bad and Steven would never know how it feels to be as supressed by people who supposedly love you.

Once again Satan, you've proven the collective ability of Yas Forums to understand a message that isn't being telegraphed in bold flashing neon signs. Steven lashing out at Greg is a BAD thing. Steven is WRONG for not valuing the freedom Greg gave him, and for Greg having the foresight to understand his half-human ayylmao hybrid son wouldn't do well in a typical suburban upbringing. On top of that, Greg's life as wandering latter day troubadour doesn't afford him the opportunity to do anything but raise his son as a nomad too. In fact it's a small miracle that he settled down at his car wash gig at all and let the CGs take over in raising Steven when he became a preteen.

the afro comes from his mom's original form
the black hair? who knows

>Greg never had it as hard as Steven, but it's still pretty bad

Agreed. It's bad his parents made him do sports, do extracurricular activities and cut his hair.

Greg doesn’t even care, man. You’re so dumb.

For the first 8 years of his life Greg raised Steven himself. He built him a house so he could live with the Gems.

calm down there jordan peterson

lmao put you bowie cd back in boomer

>raise kid
>they just grow up to resent you and blame you for all their perceived short comings
>go on to do the opposite of whatever you did during their upbringing
Why the fuck are spawn like this? Disgusting larva.

Star vs. feels like it was planned out thoroughly until s3 premiere, and after that it was mostly just vague plans. They had the whole solaria/mina thing written down on a sticky note somewhere, as well as eclipsa's personality and plans but they didn't really know how it all would come together, resulting in the disaster of a finale that we got. Also, way too much shipping

What could Steven's grandparents can possibly fucking do with his I-think-I'm-mom identity issues and dealing with all the magic?

it's still not comparable.
Greg's idea of freedom is letting Steven do what he wants and keep him away from anyone who would stop that in his eyes, even his own family.

Steven missed out on having a human family because Greg is a manchild, now he's pink and killed Jasper.

>>For the first 8 years of his life Greg raised Steven himself.

Yes, in a van with no schooling, social skills or healthcare until he decided he couldn't hack it anymore so he sent him to live with aliens he knew almost nothing about.

I’m not talking about his grandparents, I’m talking about Greg not giving a shit about his own kid’s health and education just to get back at his parents

Even now Greg still refers to Steven as a gem. He doesn't see him as completely human. He probably looked at his gem once and just went, yeah fuck it no doctor will be able to deal with this despite the rest of his body still being human.

I'm not saying that Greg was right in the way he raised Steven, but I'm validating Greg's feelings towards his parents and why he thought giving total freedom to his child like a hippie made sense to him.

Greg clearly has black hair in the family picture.

No, I think steven lashing out at greg was somewhat justified , although in his emotions he doesn't see the whole picture. His upbringing was Greg basically just raising him to be just like him, and the freedom he thought he'd had was just following in his dad's footsteps, and then following in the gems' footsteps who were forcing him to be his mom. None of it was healthy. And at the point where he was constantly fighting for survival against other gems, Greg was the only thing keeping him in touch with his human half, and he could've shown him what it's actually like for most humans, but he chose not to because again he has his own ideas for what Steven should be like.

I'm on Greg's side to a degree. Yes having controlling parents that scold you for doing something different is damaging to a kid growing up. And I'm glad the show did acknowledge that just because you grow up in a more modern/middle class environment doesn't mean things are perfect, parents can be shitty at any social class.

BUT just because your life worked out better, he should've let Steven adleast see his grandparents once so he knew they existed or even interact with more humans so he wouldn't be so fucked up mentally and feeling like an outcast. Gem powers or not, Steven should've been around more people than monsters.

I was expecting for Greg to yell at Steven for being so judgmental, would've been a good character step on both their ends.

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And to think I cut this character so much slack and thought the worst thing he ever did was faking an injury and gaslighting his son into thinking he was broken just so his poorfag ass could live in a house rent free.

>cancels his plans to rush back and be there for his son
>takes him on an impromptu road trip to bond with him
>tries to connect with his hybrid ayylmao son by sharing with him some fatherly advice, the best he can
>LeL GrEg doEsnt Care Ur sO duMB user
Okay my dude

he really doesn't

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I like it. It's not character assasination because nothing that happened there is anything we didn't already assume. And honestly it works. Greg hated how his parents basically decided everything for him. His life had so much structure he didn't have a taco until maybe he was 20 or something. He had to break free and be his own man. Of course then he becomes a parent that wants to give his son as much freedom to make his own mistakes as possible. Which leaves Steven feeling like Greg both doesn't care and didn't give his life any structure. He missed out on some important milestones like doctor's visits or school life because Greg let the gems take the wheel and really only offered emotional support rather than any kind of structured living. It's a classic tale of the rebellion. Greg rebelled from too much structure and now steven's rebelling due to a lack of structure. Greg doesn't want to be his parents and Steven doesn't want his life to be what it currently is.

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Based and truthpilled

>beings a friend is the same as being a father
Greg just wants his son to like him, he doesn't give a shit about how he'll turn out as an adult

Realistically, what should Greg have done? Should he have not allowed Steven to be with the gems?

But he never said Steven's problems were nothing. It is completely Greg's right to not have to let his baby with toxic relatives. Steven's obviously depressed, he needs an actual psychologist/therapist for this because he's making the most retarded assumptions imaginable. I'm sure if I, a not professional, tries to calm him down, he's gonna commit suicide just because I took a breath

>His upbringing was Greg basically just raising him to be just like him, and the freedom he thought he'd had was just following in his dad's footsteps
Oh, I agree with that part. Greg's not going to win Father Of The Year, it's just not character assassination like OP was claiming. Greg's always been a goofball hippie, and Steven was always happy to go along with it, since he had more pressing immediate magical boy concerns to deal with. But now that all that's been cleared away, and he's growing out of adolescence, he's asking himself the hard questions that comes with growing up, and Greg is out of his element in that arena. That's still not character assassination, though, that's Steven going through the painful steps of emotional maturity.

>Steven doesn't understand Greg's experiences at all

How could he when Greg decided that it wasn't in Steven's interest to know any of his human family. Not his living grandparents, not his uncle, not his last fucking name. This aw shucks shit he does has carried him on for too long and Steven's finally seen it.

I hope he takes Demayo back it's a better name

Yes, the gems were terrible parents that know almost nothing about humans.
Greg is a piece of shit for letting them raise his son

to be fair at no point of the show steven has shown any interest in greg's family
it's only when he realizes he's missing grandparents when he gets mad about it, it's not like greg keeps it a secret from him when he asks because he just doesn't

Hmm with how Gregg described his childhood there's a possibility that his parents might have had Narcissistic Personality Disorder or something like that. They might have neglected his emotions and treated him as a trophy that they could use to brag to other parents for egotistical purposes.

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This is a valid reason for Steven to have been mad in Gem Harvest. But he could have asked Andy about it at any point between then and now, and I absolutely guarantee that Andy would have been so happy he'd have cried (not a cosmic statement for this show, I know).

Again, this is the parent's absolute right.

You mean some whore should tell their 16 year old son their mother is a huge slut fucking all these men? No dumbass, the parent has no obligation tell their life story just to talk about lessons

forget about the gems. Greg kept Steven from his human side and a normal life, that's why he can't stand being with him and left for Jasper is desperation.
what Greg should've done is not let his beef with his parents affect his son, Andy chewed him up for that before so this didn't come out of left field like OP thinks.

His full name is, according to him, Steven Rose Diamond Quartz Cutiepie Demayo Universe

Doesn't give a shit, or doesn't know how? Greg's always been a waterbender at heart, to a fault. It's not that he doesn't care, but Steven until now has always had the capacity to take care of himself and figure out right from wrong, so Greg's role as an authority figure is sort of pointless. Besides that fatherly role, what exactly can he do to guide his half-gem son who is heir to an intergalactic matriarchal empire?

Based. Fuck zoomers and fuck Steven

lol getting mad at a kid's show

nice headcanon.

And what step exactly could Greg have taken to stop them? They were barely tolerating him because Rose said so but if he'd tried to fuck off with Steven he wouldn't have got far.

>Should he have not allowed Steven to be with the gems

Yes, he should have raised him his son not quit when his son got old enough to ask more complicated questions. Well you can read write not shit yourself and play guitar, think my work is done here.

Yeah basically this entirely. Greg's parents were controlling but so was Greg, he just controlled him in a different way.

He did make attempts to reconnect with his parents though, but they didn't read any of his letters. Greg is definitely better in that in the end (calling it right now) he will reconcile with Steven and apologize and allow Steven to do what he wants, even if that means reconnecting with his human family.

Yeah, that too. Greg would rather be a child forever while Steven is making his best attempts at growing up. It's also shown in the last bit where Greg talks to him about getting ice cream and stuff while he's having a hard emotional moment.

I can totally see Greg's parents doing pretty much most of this list save for neglecting and hurting him

I honestly think what happened worked better and it adds to steven's disillusionment. Steven flips out at him, berates him and wrecks the van. And what does Greg do? Scold him? Punish him? No he laughs it off, and tells him it's no big deal. That's the way Greg has lived his entire life since he left home. Telling Steven it's ok no matter how bad things are. Never really giving him punishments or lectures. Even when he gets grounded for trying to run away. It's the GEMS that grounded him. All greg really did was agree with them. He's a great person, a good emotional support but as a parental figure he's kinda lacking. He's still the same 20 year old kid who ran away. He barely knew how to take care of himself, he shuns his parents ways of doing things and he treats steven more like a friend than establishing a real parent-child dynamic with him. And it's not like that comes easy. Greg really doesn't have a lot of great examples in his day to day, and he's a single parent. Every parent has one or two blindspots or areas they simply could've done better in. And this is Greg's.

>Besides that fatherly role, what exactly can he do to guide his half-gem son who is heir to an intergalactic matriarchal empire?
teach him about condoms
though he probably doesn't know, he's a hippie

Steven can't be living with Greg or any other human family. He is a gem and had be under the care of the Crystals gems. It's in the name.

>He did make attempts to reconnect with his parents though, but they didn't read any of his letters.
this point is super important in his relationship with his parents, and no one brought this up until now
they were clearly too mad and proud to read his son's attempts to reconnect

Greg cared more about being friends with Steven than actually raising him. You can cry and talk about emotions all you want, but that isn't all there is to raising a child.
Steven at the age of 14 has the mind and personality of a 9 year old, he was coddled his entire life until shit hit the fan and he couldn't handle it. If Greg was a good father he would have prepared Steven for hardships he would have to face in the future, but fuck that we need to sing about hotdogs.

He’s also a human first. He’s more human than Gem. He needed to be raised by people who understood kids, not aliens who can’t tell a baby doesn’t need a shaving kit

How literal do you think "never letting me listen to music" is? Maybe just didn't like him playing it in the house, not that they outlawed it completely

Until Connie gets pregnant, we have no way of knowing if he's taught Steven about safe sex.

Greg is not Asian. Of course he's not gonna beat the fuck up Steven for the car crash. Why do you think all snowflakes are white?

Greg never said that Steven had it easier. He just tried to get him look on the bright side, like he always tries to do. And I don't think Greg really had a good relationship with his parents, it's not just a "ungrateful spoiled kid" thing. You can see this with how Greg looks in his childhood pictures and all the unopened letters in his parent's house.

Holy shit saving that image for reference. It's hard to find stuff like this.

he didn't
100% sure

Considering that he had to hide such a milquetoast cd and their taste in decor, I suspect they had their own very narrow ideas about what was classy enough to constitute music.

I thought we were supposed to be rooting for Greg this whole episode because that was all self explanatory. I can't believe people not only sided with Steven, but thought the episode was supposed to be slandering Greg.

yeah. We don't even know how far those letters go. There could be letters telling them about Rose. Letters telling them about Steven. Letters inviting them to beach city to meet their grandson for all they know. And they don't know any of that cuz they never read it. Calling them would probably be too much for Greg at this point, especially with them never responding to his letters, he knows where they stand. He's made his attempts to reconnect. They need to meet him halfway or he has no obligation to keep them as part of his life.

His name is Steven Universe, not Steven Diamond or Quartz or Gem. He is a human.

Then why didn't Garnet see that in her Future Vision while Steven was still predictable at a young age? It's because no future like that exists where he or the family are alive and safe

Well I mean, I can’t exactly root for a guy who became a bum just to piss his parents off and figured his son was better off without structure

>How literal do you think "never letting me listen to music" is?
Very, unless it's his parents music
The man didn't have a taco until he was old, I can believe parents banning music from the house and at best he just listened to music when he was outside if he even had the chance. I've seen it with real parents, but with TV instead of music.

I don't know if you've ever crashed your parent's car, but regardless of race you at least better be getting a scolding.

He should've taught him more what it's like to be a human, and let him stay around more humans by either introducing him to the rest of his family or letting him go to school. All Steven knew about humans is basically what the Gems knew (as Greg was a perfect example of that). Cute happy go lucky creatures that live in obliviousness and don't care about any of the important things.

Also, he should not have pushed him to become just like him. He didn't grow up like the other kids, he grew up just how Greg lived by choice (and thus ended up believing that that is the right/only way to live). That's why I say Greg did the same thing to Steven his parents did to him. Greg's parents wanted him to be successful at school, he was just "going through the motions" because he didn't know what he wanted. And Steven's dad wanted him to be a space boy, because that's what was good for him, and steven went along with it because he didn't know any better and the gems were pushing him in the same direction.

Steven is right to a degree dumbass. He wasn't allowed to have even a semblance of a normal human life so now he feels alone because he can't relate to any other human. That would have been okay, if he had been trained and told by the gems the history of how they came to earth and his mother so he was prepared to the danger that was always present (the diamond going back to earth).

But he got neither, so he was raised as a retarded magical boy for 14 years. Even by season 1 The Trail it was made clear the gems didn't know how to raise him and were just babying him. Greg should have been more involved in helping the gems raise him. The freedom they gave Steven became a curse, in the end he doesn't know what to do besides 'saving the world'.

If that was true, then there wouldn't be several seasons just to have a finale to find out he's his own gem

oh neat steven is finally getting basic shonen protag training, what took him so long? is he gonna fuck that jasper gem? she is cute

Yeah they're probably one of these people who only like classical music because it's "real art" and despise pop music as well as any other modern genre.

Oh he killed her. But she came back

>Steven's life is a mess because of lesbians and a emasculated father
this show might actually be based and redpilled

>Steven Rose Quartz Cutiepie Pink Diamond DeMayo Universe

You can when his parents didn't allow him to listen to music or try foods he was interested in, and decided it was best to let the aliens take priority over his half alien son