Fuck greg

No shit it's not true. That was the point.
Greg saw his life as caged, but that what it felt like to him.
Steven had to much freedom because his father didn't want to do to his son what he thought had happened to him.
However, Steven needed structure in his life. He needed to grow up as a child so he wouldn't feel out of place on his own planet with his own people, but now that his focuses are more toward his future as a human than his/his mom's past as a gem, he feels like an alien to his own planet.

I'm not sure why people are deciding to just hate on Greg after this. It's kind of expected to overcorrect for your own parents' parenting style. I know my own mother was a bit overprotective because her mother was so hands-off about supervising her kids. Of course Greg would try to give Steven the freedom he thinks he needs. He's trying to be supportive, but he doesn't understand the issues associated with the life that results from a childhood as abnormal as Steven's, because he's coming from a place of the issues associated with overly strict, authoritarian parenting.

>possibly because he just up and left them.
Well he was an adult when he left, it's more likely they're mad he didn't go to whatever college they picked out to pursue the career they decided on for him.

Greg's parents were such uptight assholes that he had to hide a fucking music CD from them. I dare you to try and defend that shit

Greg had his reasons for leaving his family, and Steven has his reasons to feel mad about it. The big issue is that Greg completely missed the point of what Steven was mad about and instead of talking it through with him and trying to understand what is wrong with him, he just gave him a pat on the back for standing up to him. He's a loving parent but he is far too hands off with Steven and from trying to do that he's making the same mistakes his parents did.

Not “defending that shit” but that’s really commonplace in religious families, or at least in sandnigger families like mine

hiding a CD or living in a van?

I'm not saying that I don't believe this was a big deal to teen Greg but if he's still asshurt about this in his 40's then he needs to gain some perspective and let it go so his son can visit his grandparents and decide for himself if they're worse than the aliens he went to war with.
protip: Steven doesn't care if they're worse.

Greg seems to have had bad parents, it is not an excuse for the steven was brought up on his part but yknow, at least its more undestandable now

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The letters made it clear that Greg tried to fix things but his asshole parents didn't even bother to read them. Why would they give a shit about their weird half alien grandson? They'd slam in the door in his face and then Steven would sperg out again

SU fags don't need to, the cleaners who do it for free allow them free range

that sounds like something Greg would say and of course he's got it all figred out because he listened to a song.

Greg is more considered with being Stevens friends while being a father is an after thought.

Greg is a shitty father but we all know that he'd sacrifice himself in a heartbeat to save Steven. Meanwhile Greg's parents won't even open a letter from their own son.

>omg he'd sacrifice himself so that makes up for being a shit dad
Steven didn't even know what school was until he was 14

>Greg is the reason why Steven doesn't have a connection to his human side.
>but they didn't open his letters despite keeping all his stuff and family photos, the meanies!
retard.

>so that makes up for being a shit dad
I never said or even implied that. Stop projecting you retard

>Greg had insanely strict and controlling parents who refuse to reconnect with their son even 20 years later
>HURR Y GREG NEVER SEND HIS SON WHO HAS GOD POWERS TO PUBLIC SCHOOL!?
Insane levels of cope. Seek help, sperg

No, he kinda has a point. Greg's parents controlled every aspect of his life until he was 20, and have been presumably ignoring his letters for 20+ years. With parents that controlling, they'd probably try to take Steven away from Greg if they knew he existed.

Also I noticed something. Greg's parents seem to live their life by routine. Going off this Beach City souvenir on the wall, I believe it's safe to say they visit Beach City at least once a year while knowing he lives there.

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>Greg's parents controlled every aspect of his life until he was 20
that is not the same as Steven living through constant life threatening situations when he could've been eating cookies with his grandma.
>and have been presumably ignoring his letters for 20+ years
weak sauce. they kept the letters and all his stuff like his trophies and yearbooks instead of throwing them away. this actually happened unlike this speculation that they never answered.
>With parents that controlling, they'd probably try to take Steven away from Greg if they knew he existed.
again, speculation. why would they carry any kind of baggage they'd have over Greg onto Steven? Greg of course did this since he kept Steven from meeting them.

>Music is banned according to Greg
>But he states that his parents made him get a haircut for graduation, just before a gig, implying that he was playing and practicing music before he ever left.
I don't know, something doesn't add up. Seems more likely to me that Greg's parents at worst were traditionalists, just like Andy and while they didn't mind him practicing music, they didn't want to see Greg throw his entire future away just to become a traveling street musician based on a whim he got from listening to some hippy music. The fact that he ran off with a sleazeball like Marty probably didn't help in convincing his parents of his dreams legitimacy.

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>you can't prove they didn't respond to letters they didn't read
???

All of this shit about Steven wanting a normal life is thrown out the window once you realize that, if Greg actually gave him a decent human childhood, there wouldn't have been anyone to stop the Diamonds from harvesting Earth.

His shitty traumatic space rock adventures were a necessity for Earth's survival. He literally had no chance at a normal life.

so what if they didn't answer? all his baby and highschool stuff is still in his room and that picture with his parent is still there. if they really didn't care about him they would've throw it all away, plus they're allowed to be mad at their son for running away.

Why are people putting so much blame on Greg not putting Steven in school or sending him to the doctor? I'd have no idea what the hell to do if my wife died and reincarnated into my son while her corpse is lodged in his belly button. That's not a normal kid

that doesn't mean he couldn't have met his extended family. it was Greg who kept him from even that. Andy was right.

He was obviously hiding the fact that he was practicing music at the time. Probably was skipping math team or something. It's not rocket science.

>so what if they didn't respond?
why would greg take that as anything other than them disowning him?

Letters, unopened.

>all his baby and highschool stuff is still in his room
All his baby and high school stuff was dumped in his room. Things like handprints and graduation photos don't go in someone's room, they go on display in the living room or on a wall.

I thought it was pretty obvious that he was sneaking out for those gigs

they kept them.

They do if the plot necessitates it so you can have the surprise twist.

they didn't open them.

And didn't read any of them.

Oh yes I love how everyone knows exactly what to do all the time. You are literally the black woman in the theater telling the girl how to escape the murderer.
Idiot

You have a check for a billion dollars.

You never cash it, you just frame it.

Seems like that check isn't doing you much good, is it?

I want a Kerry Moonbeam CD.

The gems took Steven, Greg knew how strange Steven was as an organism.
Bullys can make fun of you for having a mole. Imagine a fucking gem in your belly

me too.

that's all Steven has thanks to his deadbeat father, what ifs.

Now imagine being able to murder the fuck out of that bully with your emotions.

Steven staying out of school was probably his best scenario

Yeah is not like a fucking cluster would have destroyed the world while he was eating cookies.
Did you even watched the show?

>thinking Steven would fight back
he's too much of a pussy, he'd run to Connie and cry about his feelings

Also a whole universe safe thanks to him
But yeah being bullied is so much better right?

What Connie? He wouldn't have meet her in that scenario?
No gems
No Connie.
Spinel still waiting
Why is this so hard to understand?

he could've done that before or after stopping the cluster. he didn't because his dad had a stick up his ass.

How?
Normal life =/= gem training
Stop pretending that being a fat freak in school is the best thing ever

Steven wouldn't even need to fight back.

He created an army of melon people on accident that beat down three alien warriors. It's entirely possible Steven could pull a Lenny and kill a human by accident.

there is no reason why Greg had to keep Steven from meeting his grandparents or uncle.

the uptight upbringing, the letters, the meatloaf, that's Greg's beef, not his son's

Except for the fact that his parents didn't want anything to do with him. The simple fact is that Greg reached out and they didn't want anything to do with him, why would he bring his son to people who don't want him around?

>being bullied
>more "what ifs"
Aside from a few, humans in Steven Universe are sickeningly 'nice'.

>why would he bring his son to people who don't want him around?

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>there is no reason why Greg had to keep Steven from meeting his grandparents
Literally wrote them letters and his parents ignored them. If they're such freaks that even owning a music CD incurs their wrath, I wouldn't even presume for them to own a phone to call, or that they'd have kept the same number all those years so Greg could actually dial them up. And what would just showing up out of the blue with Steven do? Probably just get Greg and now Steven re-disowned, and accomplish nothing except depressing Steven with the reality that his grandparents hate him for existing and don't want him in their lives.

It may or may not be true, but it's reasonable to see how from Greg's point of view that's what could happen; he was trying to spare his son the pain he'd felt, even if it was misguided it can hardly be blamed.

In all seriousness though you're all such absolute fucking retards it boggles my mind, that you can take this as anything but Greg making an unfortunate mistake that the narration clearly intends to portray both Greg and Steven as in the wrong for - Greg for making it, and Steven for deliberately refusing to see his intentions and instead having a meltdown over what-ifs that realistically wouldn't have happened even if his father acted differently.

>Steven furious at his father for denying him a normal life by running away from home
>Ignoring that if he had not done so, Steven would not have been born at all
Explain this to me

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Running away from home means you go live in a van while you leave your child to be raised by his mentally unstable aunts for no reason other than, "2freaky4me"?

There are no straws to reach for. The simple fact is the parents don't want Greg around so why should he come around with his son on the off chance that his parents want to meet him? All we have to go on is that Greg attempted to reach out several times and they did not do the same. What does that tell you? The only facts that we have say that they don't want Greg around.

Steven's mad that he didn't get to meet his family because Greg made that decision for him.

Greg's parents are mad at Greg. they have no reason to be mad at their grandchildren, look at Andy, the asshole hated Greg too and he was extremely happy to meet his nephew.

Greg was always emotionally available for his kid and close by if he needed him, while working and providing for him so that he could grow up in a good neighborhood and receive the education he needed. You're literally just butthurt over "muh vans" and "muh gems are the devil" and trying to ignore that just on those merits alone Greg is already, at minimum, as good a dad as any father who works a 9-5 job. Provides all the same shit for his child, the only difference being that Steven needs an education on learning how to control his powers rather than a traditional schooling. AND unlike those other dads Steven can go to him for advice whenever and won't get brushed off by a sleepy mumbling man who can't parent because he's busy getting ready for work in the morning.

>look at Andy, the asshole hated Greg too and he was extremely happy to meet his nephew.
Andy was mad Greg DIDN'T contact him. Greg's parents were the ones that pushed him away so much he made the decision to leave - except then he tried to contact them anyway, except his parents deliberately chose not only to not respond, but to hide his messages from the rest of the family leading to Andy being mad Greg never contacted them.