Wonder Woman Thread!

Well he claims they betrayed them because they weren’t fighting hard enough. He’s a dick.

Yeah that was a dick move

Great line. The writter must feel proud.

So what, those gods made it out of magic or something? How stupid

DC didn't actually let Rucka explicitly retcon her being Zeus's daughter. Just retcon her back from her powers being due his genetics to the gods granting them to her as their blessings.

Then Robinson did his run with him having to do that plot with her having biological brother by way of Zeus, which was clearly an assignment.

Afterwards said brother was dropped in a Dark Multiverse portal, hasn't been mentioned since, and all of WW's writers have just quietly ignored the Zeus crap to the best of their ability.

Also the sword of Hephaesteus was destroyed by Cheetah. Diana is currently using Exoristos's(Amazon from Demon Knights) sword.

Rucka never erased Zeus being the father. His retcon was a shitty mess but from what I can remember:
>Zeus and Hippolyta still had twins
>Diana and Jason
>Diana never returned to Paradise Island after she left.
>Therefore any story that takes place on the island was erased.
>Hippolyta was not turned to stone by Hera.
>Diana never killed Ares
>Diana never becomes queen rallies the amazons to fight First Born
>Her memory was fucked with so that somethings were true, others not all, and some half true.
>zeke and first born could possibly still be real.

Basically New 52 Themyscira and Olympus were holodecks created by the gods, nominally to keep Diana from trying to find a way back to the real Themyscira, so the N52 Amazons weren't ever real. The gods also weren't their real selves though they could have roleplaying themselves. So no Athena never really became Zola or gave birth to Zeke. Which doesn't matter to begin with since the Finch run ended with Zeus restored to normal and Zola comatose.

Cassie has been referred to as grandaughter of Zeus in Young Justice so apparently Lennox may have been real.

Hera has shown up in completely new design and doesn't give a crap about Diana being Zeus daughter or even the fact Zeus was killed by Darkseid. She was more pissed that Diana didn't kill Cheetah for killing Aphrodite. She seems to have even taken over Zeus place place on the Quintessence.

Rucka can get fucked for replacing a very good foundation that had maybe one or two sticking point for Not Muh Wondy bitches and then putting in place something far far worse, far more difficult to build on and ultimately really fucking boring by comparison.

Diana is still daughter of Zeus. How canon Azz's run is, is very temperamental - Rucka's run acts like it was just a false simulation or some shit but then Hera shows up in Snyder's JL as her Azz/Chiang design.

And I think there are other weird oblique references to mismatched shit.

Basically Wonder Woman has no set canon right now and different writers are referencing different things.

That's dumb

>Rucka can get fucked for replacing a very good foundation that had maybe one or two sticking point for Not Muh Wondy bitches and then putting in place something far far worse, far more difficult to build on and ultimately really fucking boring by comparison.

The azzverse was a lost cause. The Finches had doubled down on all the worse parts(the characterization of the Amazons, which was a major foundation problem) while destroying any character development that anybody had went through. Also they're responsible for the worst fucking origin for Donna Troy yet.

Really the only thing Rucka did was get rid of sex piracy Amazons and replace them with a more classic inspired flavor.

Post Doomsday clock/5G and Diana getting her origin changed again to WWII it would seem Rucka's run has been ditched or heavily retconned.

>Rucka
>Respected by DC
Choose one.
It's a shame really. Rucka's directly responsible for almost all the high non-crisis points in DC canon. He just gets swept under the rug for some reason.

>Really the only thing Rucka did was get rid of sex piracy Amazons and replace them with a more classic inspired flavor.

He made it such that Diana had never been back and came up with a pretty elaborate way of her never being able to see them which was a really stupid jumping off point.

Also getting rid of all of Azz run also means getting rid of his takes on the Gods. And Azz's gods were such colourful, delightfully selfish characters while Rucka's 'patrons' were nonexistant and dull.

There could've easily been a way to drop the Finch shit without throwing out Azz's stuff in such a crummy and dismissive manner - most importantly the replacement was just so bland in comparison.

Alan Moore

Because most Greek heroes are descendants of Zeus.

>getting rid of all of Azz run also means getting rid of his takes on the Gods.
Good
> Azz's gods were such colourful, delightfully selfish characters
They were ripoffs of the endless.

Diana isn't greek, she's an amazon.

So what did Rucka do in the Rebirth run that was so much better?

Everything was distinctly inferior. Even the Amazons had barely any presence whatever raping he had prevented them from being complicit in.

>He made it such that Diana had never been back and came up with a pretty elaborate way of her never being able to see them which was a really stupid jumping off point
Yeah I didn't like Themyscira being cut off either, or the fact he didn't actually restore any pre-flashpoint continuity. But Wilson got Themyscira re accessible in the present, and the 5G time line seems to restore Diana's ability to return retroactively along with her continuity, so I'm good now.
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>Also getting rid of all of Azz run also means getting rid of his takes on the Gods. And Azz's gods were such colourful, delightfully selfish characters while Rucka's 'patrons' were nonexistant and dull.
They could have kept the gods designs and basic characterizations if they wanted to, though you still have the problem of the Finche's set fire to their character development. Heck Hera even uses her peacock dress design for Quintessence meetings. And you could argue current Hera is in line with where azz left her and before the finches regressed her, where she's moved past Zeus.

>So what did Rucka do in the Rebirth run that was so much better?
I wouldn't know, I never read his run but if he got rid of those pretentious AzzGods than that's something he did better.

He used and updated Diana's actual villains for one.

If DC had any sense, they would have retconned the Amazon's down to just mindwiping their studs afterwards very early on. Instead they just kept doubling down on the Amazons being manhating murderers to the point they were practically unusable as anything other than villains.

That origin from WW: Dead Earth where her mother takes blood from all the goods and mixes it to make the clay of Diana

Rucka doesn’t have enough power and influence to do that. Does he think he is King or Bendis?

Maybe it was a retarded typo?

Rucka the woman trapped in a fat man’s body wished that happened.

It honestly sounds like Rucka posted this

What's wrong with that? It's nice.

>He used and updated Diana's actual villains for one.
You mean the blandest possible take on Dr. Poison? Rucka's an over-the-hill has-been now.

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>Good
His takes on gods is superior to everything Perez did with his religion correct fetish
>They were ripoffs of the endless.
That's good.
Fuck Vertigo and fuck Gaiman

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Because it's generic and misses the point of Wonder woman.

> but then Hera shows up in Snyder's JL as her Azz/Chiang design.
Issue?

>Diana isn't greek, she's an amazon.
in the DCU the amazons are greek.
Real life amazons aren't.
But in the DCU they are

There is nothing god damn wrong with some of the Amazons being misandrist.

I agree with you on the character development being damaged by the Finches especially Hera.

>in the DCU the amazons are greek.
No they are not, they're more like Tolkein Elves made from the resurrected souls of women murdered by men or in battle.

>There is nothing god damn wrong with some of the Amazons being misandrist.
There is if it leads to them killing babies and innocent sailors.

> pretentious AzzGods
What does this even mean. How is giving them uniqueness & depth pretentious?

> If DC had any sense, they would have retconned the Amazon's down to just mindwiping their studs afterwards
YES this would have been a extremely easy way to fix things.
Change it to that, remove the moment of Diana threatening to castrate Orion and make First Born more interesting and Azz's run is fucking gold.

Well there's the fact that you're implying that they didn't have depth before Azz where it truth the opposite is true in that they are more shallow than ever before with a facade of grandeur.

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so Rucka basically wrote the book to say "fuck you" to Azzarello?

I will agree his Poison was weak but his sympathetic Cheetah & Cale were fantastic.

Rucka is mediocre at best outside of Gotham.

It was just one big "not muh"

>There is if it leads to them killing babies
They didn't.
They just trade the male babies for weapons
>and innocent sailors.
Amazons needs to have a birthrate, when the man don't have to sustain child anymore they're useless

>No they are not, they're more like Tolkein Elves made from the resurrected souls of women murdered by men or in battle.
Perez's idea is bullshit and non-canon at this point.
Before and after Perez Amazons are greek

>possibly
Wait.
Wait, what the actual fuckity doo was the purpose of the Olympian Holodeck if not to hide from First Born? Motherfucker, Diana's history is more convoluted than Donna's at this point.

Not him, but Snyder's Justice League #39, she's standing next to Highfather on the Quintessence. A hard nod to when she met him and they got along during the Azz run.

Thanks for reminding me Grail murdered all if not most of them.

I don't think anyone statistically read The Odyssey of the Amazons which explains in the New 52/Rebirth amazons, valkyries and a bunch of other magical warrior women all come from the same multi-pantheon goddess eugenics experiment where a bunch of goddesses got laid with mortal men and mixed all the magical life goop (yes really) together to make super-demigoddess daughterus

>They didn't.
They did and they had to be bribe with weapons to stop.
>Amazons needs to have a birthrate
Not if they're immortal.

Please it’s just a throw away line. The real question here is how come the eradicator wasn’t killed earlier?

I just assumed it was the obligatory alpha strike supervillain plot armor. What I want to know is why the editors didn't remember daxamites/kryptonians are solar CAPACITORS not leaky batteries that instantly lose their powers away from yellow sunlight. For fuck's sake, Superman was giving jumping off a nearly lightless planet the old college try when the World Forger stranded him on one, and he managed to escape it's gravity well.

>They did and they had to be bribe with weapons to stop.
a male in the insland was a curse.
This is what Hera commanded, not them
>Not if they're immortal.
(Amazons just don't age and many of them are immortal only in the island IIRC)
Immortals don't need other warriors?
That seems stupid, even if you don't age you still need to have a big army