So where does one start with comics ?

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Regarding Big 2 capeshit or series in general that have had numerous writers throughout history, look up recommended runs by specific writers
For everything else, Issue 1

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If you asked me how to get into movies , i'll tell you , go to imdb , look up top 250 , watch and skip any movie older than 1970.

The thing with comics even if you knew what you wanted to read , you would not be able to read it .
Alot of Comics suppose that the reader had previous knowledge about comics Characters and Dynamymiv between characters , the numbering/issue system is confusing.
There's a lot of overlap between titles and a lot of different versions of storylines.

If i told you to read Death Note , you go to whatever site you use , you look up "Death note" and you'll find one and only one title ,you start at chapter#1 panel 1

Comics are a fucking maze.

Scratch that
Go to your local library AFTER the pandemic is over

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No, they aren't. Comics are no less a maze than any other medium of storytelling. Mainstream superhero comics are a maze, and even that has to do with public perception and our obsession with cannon than anything else. You're creating an argument for yourself that culture has cultivated you to believe. Break free from that. Nothing is stopping you from reading what you want to read.

>how to get into movies
>Watch and skip any movie older than 1970
I mean, yeah. If you want to get rid of literally decades of great films for no reason outside of them being old or something

others have given good recommendations, here's a probably overlapping subset from my would read-again list:
- Adventures of a Japanese Businessman by José Domingo - Aventuras de un Oficinista Japonés
- Asterix, maybe half of them
- Asterios Polyp
- anything by Bastien Vives
- anything by Boucq, example The Adventures of Jerome Katzmeier 01 - The Walls Have Teeth (Europe Comics)
- Beauty by Kerascoet
- Beautiful Darkness by Kerascoet
- Belladonna (French Belladone) by Ange (Anne Guéro)
- Blast 2009 to 2014
- Bone 1991 to 2004
- Cerebus, only read a few so far, a mixed bag
- Cold Sun by Damien and Pecau
- Daytripper 2010
- Dylan Dog
- Inspector Canardo
- Ekho
- Frederik Peeters: Aama series, Pachyderme, and Sandcastle
- Giant Days
- Great by Ryan Armand (see KiwisByBeat restored archive)
- Gunnerkrigg Court
- Incal, some
- Jerusalem: Chronicles from the Holy City by Guy Delisle
- Lanfeust of Troy
- Le Transperceneige by Jacques Lob, in French, later as Snowpiercer from English scanlation
- Les Nombrils, Bellybuttons in English
- Melusine
- Miss Don't Touch Me by Kerascoet
- Mutafukaz, Dark Meat City
- petit spirou
- Prophet
- Puta Madre, prequel to Mutafukaz, violent
- Pyongyang: A Journey in North Korea by Guy Delisle
- Pyrenee by Regis Loisel, one off short about a bear and a girl
- Satania, Kerascoet again
- Shangri-la by Mathieu Bablet
- The Airtight Garage (Le Garage Hermétique de Jerry Cornelius)
- The Maxx, some claim it's cape sone say it's not
- Tintin, in French and English
- Wake (French Sillage)
- Weapons of Mass Diplomacy, satirical take of behind the scenes during US's Iraq invasion

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You came back to the old films after you've gained appreciation for the medium.
I won't throw Citizen Kane at someone who just started watching films , in fact i won't throw citizen kame at anybody , citizen kane is trash !

>Mainstream superhero comics are a maze
And those comics are exactly what people want to read.

I don't want to read Tenten or Atex or charlie brown any other stupid "comedy " comic , I'm not a fucking boomer.

I wanna know what the leprachaun dude in Dc is all about .
i wanna know how the Joker came to be as in his backstory , inb4 anyone bores to death with 50s comics references and "uhm actually Joker was a ......".

Except that you're logic does not make sense. You need to watch the old to appreciate the new. The new is inspired by the old. Everyone starts off with Watchmen, which is a deconstruction of superheroes, and therefore modern comics have to adapt to that by taking the wrong cues of Watchmen and having everything being distilled with its own sense of seriousness. You need to start with gold/silver/bronze age batman to gain an appreciation for what Miller did with TDKR (not saying that you need to read literally every decade, but that the context of the character's evolution makes you appreciate the direction TDKR takes). You need to understand the context of how things were and how we continue to build off of that. I mean, in the most simple of examples, you wouldn't watch Godfather part 2 before watching Godfather part 1 right? You have the ability to watch part 2 first and you are still receiving a story, but you wouldn't be giving yourself the full experience
If you want to know who a spefic character is or what someone's backstory is, you've got the internet to supply you with that information. Besides, that's all just pointless minutia. We should be reading stories for their narrative value and not just how they stack up to 75+ years of how they measure up to the construct of a universe

>Citizen Kane is trash
Watch literally any film before Citizen Kane was made and you will understand why it was great. Read about how Citizen Kane was made and the trials Welles faced and you will realize the greatness in its existence. Research the technical advancements made in the film and the biting social commentary it had and you will see why it continues to be hailed as the greatest american film ever made

If you're looking for sheer entertainment value, I will agree that Citizen Kane is not the most fun watch. It's not something I'd ever put on for fun because it's not meant to be that. Great film demands the attention of its audience. It rewards your patience with an enlightened appreciation of what you watched. It leaves you with questions and inspires you to find answers for those questions.

But I guess Citizen Kane is throwaway trash because it's not as fun as whatever blockbuster's out in theaters right now (movies, I should add, that are directly influenced by the technical and storytelling conventions first invented by Citizen Kane)

I was hoping for Galactick Football thread.

Would be nice to see Lightning vs Shadows and Lightning vs Xenon games.

This is like someone saying , you need to watch a ton of 80s and 70s Mecha shows before you watch Evangelion.

No you don't as long as you know what a Mech is you'll be fine , in fact it's even better if you don't know what a Mech is because then the idea of someone piloting a giant robot will be novel to you and thus more fun.

All i want from comics is to read good stories with good characters , give me a point to start a chapter#1 where i can just dive in with no prequisite knowledge.

I actually read 15# issues of Kamala Khan. And it was fun , it only stopped being fun when wolverine appeared put of nowhere and then i had to question myself " Hmm so wolverine is part of this story ? Weird"

But i carried on and then this alien villan appeared and a bunch of people called the immortals and a dog called wojak and i was like who the fuck are these people ? And i lost interest.

>you need to watch a ton of 80s and 70s Mecha shows before you watch Evangelion.
You should absolutely watch old mecha if you want to enjoy Evangelion more.
>in fact it's even better if you don't know what a Mech is because then the idea of someone piloting a giant robot will be novel to you and thus more fun.
Is this bait?
>All i want from comics is to read good stories with good characters , give me a point to start a chapter#1 where i can just dive in with no prequisite knowledge.
Then start with chapter one of the run you want to read, you idiot.
What the fuck is this

Action comic #1

the thing about comics is that they aren't like "read from the start" kind of things. You pick up at the beginning of a storyline or a run and you go with that.

Pick a character or team whose concept you're interested in, read their first run or a highly recommended run of theirs. Get depressed at the inevitable decay of quality as you go through runs

That's cool and all but i don't use a tengstan light bulb , just because it was the first light bulb ever invented.
I appreciate its historic value, i respect it and i respect Thomas Edison who invented it , sure , but would i actually use it on 2019 ,no !

If you're making a list of top 100 most influential movies of all time, then be my guest and put citizen kane at the top.

But if it's just the top 100 movies , as in :

"watch these movies if you want to be entertained and not just for your film history and critique course"

than Citizen Kane is no better than Avengers : infinity war !

>That's cool and all but i don't use a tengstan light bulb , just because it was the first light bulb ever invented.
That's a false equivalence, shithead.

>"watch these movies if you want to be entertained and not just for your film history and critique course"
>than Citizen Kane is no better than Avengers : infinity war !
This has to be bait.

>Sandman
Okay, You start with Amazing Spider-man #4, and from there you read Friendly Neighborhood Spider-man Annual #1 (you'll also get Leah out of that) and Spectacular Spider-man 308-309.

That will give you a surprisingly complete story spanning over multiple years while also not needing you to know much more context. .

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It might be false equivalence but if we go back to my original point.

I wouldn't give "Citizen Kane" to someone who comes up to me and asks me "Hey bro how do i get into movies ?" , I might give them the Matrix , lotr , parasite, Training day but certainly not Citizen Kane

Perhaps citizen kane is entertaining with the right mindset , but i came in expecting a good story and all i got is "Look at this cool cinemetagrophy trick i invented"

Explain to me what a run is ,faggots , is it like an arc ?

No, it isn't.
A run is the period that a writer stays in the book, a run can have multiple arcs.

You can google all of this shit.

So basically comics are about writers and not works themselves ?
Is it okay to jump in the middle of a story ?

How do i then locate the stuff that i want ? It's not like evrey comic has a unique name there are like a billion comics named criss

>So basically comics are about writers and not works themselves ?
No
>Is it okay to jump in the middle of a story ?
No
>How do i then locate the stuff that i want ?
Google

A run is basically however long a writer is on a book.

No need to go throwing around rudeness user, this isn't Yas Forums, we are more than happy to help out people who are new.

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>he thinks he needs to start reading comic books at the first issue
I wish this meme would end

YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND MECHA ANIME BEFORE YOU WATCH EVANGELION AND YOU NEED TO READ SUPERHERO COMICS BEFORE YOU READ WATCHMEN, DO YOU REALIZE HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU SOUND RIGHT NOW? THEY AREN'T FOR FUCKING CASUALS, YOU STUPID IDIOT. FUCKING IGNORANT SMART ASS PIECE OF SHIT FUCKS LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON WHY ANIME AND COMICS ARE SHIT. GET OFF YOUR FUCKING HIGH HORSE, YOU KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU STUPID IDIOT

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user, he's a retard but you shouldn't get so upset about it.
He's not saying anything that a casual wouldn't say.

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Don't you realize that it's people like him that comic writers write for? We all have to suffer because he's a know-it-all fuck

Google is a useless, uninteractive tool.
Sorry , old habits.

So say i wanted to read Superman vs the elite , i go to google it tells me that :
>What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" is a story that appeared in Action comics #775

Does that mean that the whole story is a single issue ?
Do i need to look up Action comics #755 and just start reading there ? Where can i find it ?

>you need to understand a culture to get it.
Nah i can generalize and do a little research and not spend a few days delving into stupid shit.

A run is the time a writer and/or artist has been on an established series. Tom King did a run on Batman and James Tynion took over. Alan Moore did a run on swamp thing but I wouldn’t say his run on watchmen because it’s not a series like a superhero book; it’s a mini series.

But to answer the OP, go to the local book shop and buy any trades with a number 1 on it, or find the first issue of a run you want to read and if it’s like part 3 of an arc you’d go back to the first issue of that arc.

So like the new run on Batman started at issue 86, and I wanted to read Batman again so I saw what issue it was on at the time which was issue 90, so I got 86-90. the cover on issue 86 says starting now! Batman’s most dangerous villain yet or something. So that’s where I started. Which just so happened to the new writers first issue

>Don't you realize that it's people like him that comic writers write for?
Not always.
We've explained what he's asked, now he'll either learn or fuck off.

>You need to understand mecha anime before you watch Evangelion
You absolutely don't

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I'm not sure that's the sandman he was referring to.

You absolutely do.

>So like the new run on Batman started at issue 86
Is there a comic named "Batman" that had 85 issues and issue 86 is a reboot ?

Or is Batman part of action comics that started in 1938 and the story gets rebooted every few years.

Also if i start reading at a reboot/run does that mean that i will not encounter any characters/ideas/villains/concepts that have never been introduced before

A reboot and a new run aren't the same thing.

You absolutely don't , i know cause it's my favorite anime and the first mecha show I've watched
If you don't include Pacific Rim

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Imagine my shock.

>I actually read 15# issues of Kamala Khan. And it was fun , it only stopped being fun when wolverine appeared put of nowhere and then i had to question myself " Hmm so wolverine is part of this story ? Weird"

If you want to get into capeshit in a shared universe but can't handle other characters showing up just give up now. Its just not for you. How will you handle the book you're reading getting interrupted by a line wide event which is basically a big crossover story?

You most likely don't even know what the first ancestral race is.

>>So like the new run on Batman started at issue 86
>Is there a comic named "Batman" that had 85 issues and issue 86 is a reboot ?
>Or is Batman part of action comics that started in 1938 and the story gets rebooted every few years.
We’re 91 issues into the Batman series that was rebooted in dc rebirth like 4-5 years ago
>Also if i start reading at a reboot/run does that mean that i will not encounter any characters/ideas/villains/concepts that have never been introduced before
It’s the same characters. if the was a popular character from a prior run they’ll be back in it. New 52 justice league had the anti monitor and all that stuff who were introduced like 30 years before that run, even though new 52 was reboot.

Think of it like a tv show, where the writers change out every season, but the voice cast is all the same. But the new writers still reference stuff from the old a writers.

For The Boys just start with #1 and go through it like normal. Although, having a good background on cape comics would probably add to your overall enjoyment of the run.

That has nothing to do with the point that we're talking about.
You're really bad at this argument thing.

Dude, it's a deconstruction of archetypes. It's a great show, but you're not watching it in the right order. Again, you wouldn't start on the third movie of a 3 part trilogy. You can, you'd still enjoy it, but you should really see the trilogy in the way the director originally intended. Not saying you should watch every mech anime ever, but you should realize that you are not prepped for the material you're watching. It's homework sure but that's because it's for a show that's worth a damn

>having a good background on cape comics would probably add to your overall enjoyment of the run.
I disagree on that, other than recognizing a couple of expys here and there, the characters in The Boys don't really have a connection to their Big Two counterparts.

Did Anno ever go on record saying "Evangelion is a deconstruction of the mecha genre ?"
Deconstruction is stupid psueud buzz word anyway.

You are an actual retard that doesn't even recognize a deconstruction BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT MECHA

Well, I enjoyed the expys. I didn't say he'd get a lot out of it.

Eva is a deconstruction of otaku culture with a mecha cover.

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It's fine if old characters appear as long as they are given a proper introduction.

I still stand by the recommendation.