His condition being if he could start alongside Tom Holland

Robert is definitely fucking Tom Holland

and you started so well

We live in the age of cynicism, m8.
Cynics are the norm. Pragmatists are the new idealists. It's all topsy turvy.

>makes people laugh and is charismatic as fuck
>cocky but vulnerable in a relatable way
>regular human standing with gods and supermen, all his power is self-made so that appeals to Americans just as much as Cap
>patriotic and pretty much only supported US military with his weapons which is why Obadiah profiteering with his company was repugnant to him
>both sides had their motives clear and considered heroic in the civil divorce
>fantasy billionaire who does what people wish they would and donates huge amounts of money
>redemption arc where he realises what he's done was bad, stop being selfish, tries to make up for what he was and revolutionises clean energy
>fatherly to young spidey, other kids
>consistent character with consistent evolution for 10 years
>in context, the blackface was meant as an ironic take on people worshipping method actors and Mel Gibson has previously shown great kindnesses to RDJ

I dunno lol

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Why do you post clickbait OP? I saw his Joe Rogan interview and he said that he won't be returning unless there's a very good reason he should return, but he's not going to return

>Jan 15, 2020

Kill yourself, OP. This is old news.

“Pragmatists” is a funny way to spell blind consumerists

Probably Evans, too. He seems like a nice sugar daddy type.

Remember when Chris Evans used to get drunk in every big event and he even said on american national television that he likes to "fuck girls in the butt"?

>actor wore blackface and wanted sympathy for Mel Gibson

Actors act for a living. They live paycheck to paycheck just as much as you (don't).

>How was this guy the face of Disney's superhero franchise for children???

All those things were out of Disney hands before they bought up Marvel.

blind consumerists are cynics now too.
Everything about pop culture right now is cynical.

The only funny thing is that people on Yas Forums still think they can be counter-culture by being ULTRA cynical.

Journalists can't work because of Corona dipshit. Not the time to be picky

More like:
Robert Downey Jr realizes he can't get decent high paying work outside of Marvel

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Conversely, RDJ has so much money he can do whatever silly shit he wants for work now.

Tell me Scarjo facesits and pegs him. Tell me.

I hope it's AI Tony.

He still doing that third sherlock movie? Those were decent.

I mean, it would have probably helped if Dolittle wasn't awful
>dragon coloscopy

>killed innocents with his weapon industry, was proud to be called the Merchant of Death
>was
his entire arc in the first iron man film him was all about him realizing just how much his weapons were harming people, and so he stopped producing them in response. please actually watch the films with both eyes open

>Weapons manufacturer only understands his WEAPONS KILL PEOPLE after a traumatic experience
what a good heart!

come back to me once you've actually watched the movie

you realizing that the objects you sell for the express purpose of murdering people actually harm people late in life just makes you an idiot, not a hero.

It's the usual outrage farming and trying to bait people into being mad over things that don't exist. Yas Forums falls for it all the time.

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>make weapons for your country
>somewhat naively believe they're for the purpose of ending war and for the greater good with the bigger stick mentality
>actually being on the ground makes you realize your weapons are actually just being sold to terrorists and shit
>okay now me and my friends are the only ones who can have my weapons

His turnaround wasn't based on muh killing people, it was based on responsible use of killing tech and knowing who is using it, which he continued to struggle with.

as far as tony was concerned, his weapons were only for killing baddies, not "people". his morality was fucked up and he was granted a proper character arc to remedy this through shutting down his weapon production. this is not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd actually watch the fucking movie

there's a point where naivete is inexcusable, and even unbelievable.

That point is somewhere far before you're a middle-aged multi-generational army-contracting weapons magnate who also happens to be a hyper-informed super genius.

They're definitely fucking or want to at least if you see the way they act around each other, talk about the other, and go out of the way to gift each other things all the time.

>his morality was fucked up
Exactly. That's what makes him a cynical superhero.
It's not like he shed that completely, and became totally deontological. No, the dude retains utilitarian and even selfish beliefs throughout--hence the entire ark of civil war.

The idea of a flawed hero being the ultimate paragon of virtue is representative of the attitude we have as a culture. And this user is simply making that point. You never have to have this discussion of what percent good Captain America or Superman are.

The problem with the MCU is that you're supposed to see it as realistic, but you're also getting a fairly simple story and circumstances that aren't in any way realistic.
For instance, the Civil War begins with illegal incursions into foreign countries by Captain America, but that's never mentioned as a negative as to what Cap is doing and how his actions will affect the nations involved, especially if in begins conflict and affects the economy, leadership and law, ending in deaths, uprisings etc.

Sony has the upper hand, now they have both Spiderman and Ironman

>CW was about Tony being selfish
Oh God, not this shit again.
He's not framed as the ultimate paragon, he's framed, precisely, as flawed and prone to mistakes.
>You never have to have this discussion of what percent good Captain America or Superman are.
Maybe if you're retarded, don't pay attention to movies, don't read comics, and aren't around on Yas Forums when people have these exact discussions.

>you're supposed to see it as realistic
Not really, no.

CW in the MCU was precisely caused by Cap being selfish. For good reasons, yeah, but Tony represents the will of civilians and not himself in the debate, whilst Cap both represents supers and his own desires to chase Bucky.

>Tony represents the will of civilians and not himself in the debate
Tony, who is supposed to be a genius and super rational, for some reason saw red and decided to personally be angry at someone who was blatantly a tool for personal reasons.

And before you imply that's just a normal human reaction, it really fucking isn't for rational, morally grounded people. Your principles don't suddenly flip because you found out someone inflicted trauma on you, especially if it's obviously not their fault.

>MCU couldn't function without him
>Demand fuckton of payments as a result
>Studio couldn't afford to keep you on
>Kills your character off so they can retire it and introduce new heroes with less expensive actors
>Your non-franchise films flop hard because people are only into Superhero, fantasy and sci-fi films
>Realize you fucked up
>"Take me back please, please?"
He dug his own grave

this user raises a good point.
everyone ITT should at least acknowledge that teh entire MCU makes little sense, has very little character consistency, and is devised and executed by hacks.

>Dolittle flops
>Immediately wants to be back as Iron Man

Damn, Holland's boipucci must be something else

>watch video of a dude murdering your parents
>your friend says he lied to you about what he knew about it but it wasn't bucky's fault, honest!
We all know it was a contrived scene in an unrealistic circumstance so there can be another fight, but a chimp out can happen to anybody.

>tfw no Iron Man film by the Spider-verse team
I think the style would translate nicely to tech and vibrant armours.

>user exclusicely talks about only the Accords situation and the pressure from 117 nations bearing down on Tony
>B-BUT BUCKY
Way to move the goalposts

>Your principles don't suddenly flip because you found out someone inflicted trauma on you
It's amazing that you think that. So you think every person that's ever killed in a fit of rage was deep down always someone who thought there was nothing wrong with murder?

muh bucky tho

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maybe you think it's just you and one other person ITT?

Again, you guys are acting like Tony isn't a SUPER GENIUS, and is just some normal bloke. If that's what you want out of your superhero movies, normal dumb people bullshit but in people with superpowers, then that's fine. But those movies shouldn't also portray their characters as paragons of virtue that people look up to.

One or the other--you can't have both. And for the record, there are people alive today who upon learning information like this, do in fact react with "i forgive them."

You really can't concede that the fact that the face of the MCU can't even be bothered to fall into the ~10% of people out there who genuinely practice what they preach represents a deep-rooted cynicism?

>Again, you guys are acting like Tony isn't a SUPER GENIUS, and is just some normal bloke.
Being a genius doesn't make you impervious to emotions.
>But those movies shouldn't also portray their characters as paragons of virtue that people look up to.
How many times do you have to be told that Tony isn't depicted as some infallible paragon but a flawed person who makes mistake? We see all of this throughout his own damn trilogy for fucks sake.

>Tony isn't depicted as some infallible paragon but a flawed person who makes mistake?

But that's not fucking binary, is it? You aren't either "a perfect person who never makes mistakes" or "someone prone to uncontrollable rage capable of committing second degree murder", are you?
And, since you chose to ignore it, i'll ask once more.

Are you truly unwilling to admit that the fact the leader of the giant superhero franchise is not just flawed, but VERY flawed in violent and narcissistic ways, and that that person is the ultimate hero of the franchise is, by its very definition, cynical?
Hell, user, i've never even said that's shameful, though it's certainly not my personal taste. But you have to think about the ideology it instills in young viewers.

There's the argument that superheroes should be deontological ideals that set a standard to strive toward, and the argument that they should be borderline anti-heroes who at the end of the day still do the right thing at crunch-time.
The fact that the MCU chose tony instead of cap as its figurehead is them picking one of those two sides, and it's the side of the cynic.

I'm not the user you were arguing with over the cynicism debate. I just think you're retarded for trying to push the narrative that because someone is smart it means they should be capable of ignoring and shutting down all human emotion and be rational 24/7.

Doolittle bombing must've prompted this faster than anything. But does Feige even need him and his ginormous fee at this point when it's a well oiled machine that normies will eat up regardless of what's put to screen so long as it's more of the same action-comedy shtick they've come to expect.

What if it's au Teen Tony ? But he gets endgame Tony's conciousness. Suddenly he's back as a kid and the only one who can see him as an adult is Peter. So shots with just Peter and Tony use RDJ and they bring in a young actor to play the Teen Tony body

>won't somebody think of the bad example iron man is setting to our children????
Stop clutching your pearls. MCU Captain America is also a deeply cyncical character (obsessed with the past, commits tantamount invasions of other countries without any thought to the consequences, black and white thinking, barely trusts anybody etc).

If you want a non cynical Marvel watch the Avengers Assemble cartoon, where they don't even HAVE a civil war because Cap and Tony are BFFs who talk to eachother in a mature respectful way.

Their relationship is starting to creep me out