"How can you defend a country where 5% of the people control 95% of the wealth?"

You have specific countries in mind user

So when do we drop ism and just hang these suits

Spriengfield is microcosm of all capitalism flaws. Just look at Homer. He doesn't deserve to have what he has.

I mean, goddamn, man. This was in the era of Alf, The Cosby Show, and Full House. Most sitcoms were still living in a 1950s dreamland.

When you grow a pair.

Shut up Grimey

basically every communist country

now it’s become what it once mocked.

Okay, and how is that child's asshole today?

different people

Can anybody imagine Lisa saying that today?

yes communism was so wonderful what it brought to my country

Capitalism isn't a system, it's a mechanism, as Adam Smith described it, it's an observation of the behaviors of humans that take socially beneficial actions for selfish goals.

Explain the contradictions in capitalism.

Unfortunately, Lisa has turned from Leftist to liberal, so she just wants more women and minorities as billionaire CEOs instead of dismantling the system that allows that to happen.

Wanting token representation to fulfill an empty ideal of equality is more leftist than liberal

Capitalism doesn't have an end goal and it doesn't promise a utopia that can never exist in reality.

Well, yeah. It was like how in Mao's China they put the doctor in the field and made him pick lettuce and took the peasant and told him to perform surgery because he was proletarian.

So capitalism was post-modernism before post-modernism.

Yes, somehow believing the worst people will the do the worst actions based on their worst instincts for the betterment of society.

Real sound logic.

Marx did not correspond with the leading economists of his day and they did not take him seriously. He corresponded with literal nobodies and the primary appeal of his writings was emotional rather than rational.

>leftism is everything I don’t like
read up on neoliberalism

early capitalism offers a chance for opportunity. however, we’ve been in late capitalism for a while. now all opportunity is bought out or crushed by the oligopoly and you cannot succeed on your own like the American Dream promises

1. People work harder, wage stays the same.
2. Oligarchy destroys freedom, equality, justice.
3. People believe greed and envy mean "progress" when it's a sign of stagnating societies.
4. Capitalism needs to take the profits to fund maintenance and new research, to pay employees as efficiently as possible and improve conditions for working people.
5. Everyone knows "they should" and "they can" get what they want by "power" but no one in a position of power will give it to anyone.
6. There are at least two kinds of people: the people who support the status quo and the people who challenge it.

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Most people aren't insane enough to do the worst things that don't benefit them in any way just to be the fucking worst, and when everyone acts to their own benefit it coincidentally benefit other people. It's not 100% efficient but it's fully self organizing which is infinitely better than trying to herd 8 billion cats. Well herding humans is fuckton more difficult than herding cats actually.

>le better yourself maymay

Same activity

When you win, someone loses. That isn't actually neccessary. Food and shelter naturally occur, we fight over it because there are enough of us to start a fight

This is what happens then the law protects people - they can do whatever they like and they're under protection of the entire justice apparatus. People should solve problems with guns, not lawyers.

>Food and shelter naturally occur
Am I speaking to a child?

>capitalism isn't a system
mein gott

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What an empty unconvincing post

Go live innawoods for a year, then come back and appreciate our civilized society where everyone has access to things.

>Food and shelter naturally occur
No, no they don't.

There's always new opportunities out there. But there are some things holding the average person back, like accredited investor laws that prevent you from buying into good opportunities unless you're already rich.

>1. People work harder, wage stays the same.
a) labor theory of value is bullshit b) employment is another market; low wages mean no workers or vulnerability to a competitor who will offer more.

>2. Oligarchy destroys freedom, equality, justice.
Oligarchy comes as a result of too much government, not a free market economy. If there's no big government controlling too much of society, there's nothing for the rich to buy out.

>3. People believe greed and envy mean "progress" when it's a sign of stagnating societies.
Greed and envy are human flaws that will always exist.

>4. Capitalism needs to take the profits to fund maintenance and new research, to pay employees as efficiently as possible and improve conditions for working people.
What's the contradiction?

>5. Everyone knows "they should" and "they can" get what they want by "power" but no one in a position of power will give it to anyone.
What does this have to do with a free market? It sounds like a caution against a powerful government that controls society.

>6. There are at least two kinds of people: the people who support the status quo and the people who challenge it.
Again, what's your point?

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> food doesn't exist in nature

Your mom is empty and unconvincing.

> labor theory of value is bullshit
and yet no liberal can ever pricelessy explain why

I guess 99%+ of living humans will just have to die to create the perfect society

It doesn't do a good job of accounting for the value of risk.

Only if by food you mean wild fruit and by shelter you mean caves.

Because "I worked hard, pay me" is just a whine that no one has to respect.

Yes.

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Um yes? Reproducing for no good reason wasn't a good idea

>he's not anprim
Looooool

Your sacrifice is appreciated but won't be remembered long because hunter-gatherers can't keep written records.

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>it's an observation of behaviors
We are reaching levels of ideology that previously were thought to be impossible.

Our oral records will be superior. Your records will be lost in the mass of useless information you produce.

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>records
Impressive

Economics student here. Let me make this simple for your paste eating brain.

Let's take two boxes of eggs. Both are of equal value, some even came from the same chickens.
Gordon Ramsey cooks something with them. He makes a fine souffle that's so delicate that a gnats fart would've destroyed it during its creation.
I cook something with them. To be more specific I push them all up my asshole and cook them using my internal body temperature to create a humanized version of Onsen tamago then walk up to the customers table and fire them into his lap by bending over.

Both take the exact same amount of time.

One of these, you might already realize on an instinctual level, is more valuable than the other. Not because more or less work was put into them but because someone is willing to pay more for them by nature of what was done.

After all, some rich pervert will no doubt pay me far more to shit Japanese cuisine into his lap than Gordon Ramsey would make with his souffle.

>a competitor who will offer more.
But that never happens.

You want to stand in line for toilet paper? Go to America!

I agree user

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There's hardly any real shortage of toilet paper here. It's still very easy to find despite the memes.

FUCK YOU

>Greed and envy are human flaws that will always exist.
Sounds like you need to better yourself.

He's right though.

>But that never happens.
Except it happens all the time if you keep your eye on the jobs market. Technically speaking you should be changing jobs every 2 years for optimal ladder climbing, either via promotion or moving company.

this! Capitalism just hasn't been tried before.

Oligarchy is a direct result of the free market. Luck or skill, someone will end up being rich and then its all about converting wealth into political and economic power using monopoly, lobbyism, etc. Just look and Disney at the beginning making money from a public domain, buying off everyone and pushing bullshit copyright laws so nobody could do the same.

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There is no toilet paper shortage in the supply chain; retards are just buying it too fast for it to catch up.

The food-lines, rationed electricity/water, etc. etc. in socialist countries ARE about a scare product.

LORD PALMERSTON

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Doesn't really have anything to do with my post. I'm just saying the memes about toilet paper are heavily exagerrated, TP is everywhere still.

>monopoly, lobbyism, etc.
Only possible with a powerful government.

It seems really arbitrary which flaws get considered "human nature" and which ones are personal problems that you need to "better yourself" to get rid of.

You don't like the economical situation in North Korea or Venezuela? Lift the sanctions. You don't have those problems in China or Vietnam.

*blocks your path*
*pulls out ghetto blaster*
pssh...... nothin personnel,,,,,,, kid

>man voluntarily agreed to be paid one dollar less than he asked for his typewriter
>extreme inequality
This is a pretty poor visual aid.

America is communist because it has a government.

>implying Greed and envy are inherently bad
When I envy a man I am saying 'I wish I could be him' and in some cases I start thinking about how I could improve myself.
The kind of absolutism you're using here is the exact same of retarded fuck logic that produces 'Anger and violence are always negative' and then in turn the kind of spineless cephalopodian human that can't overturn a tyrant no matter how bad things get.
Greed meanwhile often motivates our better urges and forces us to interact with others.
You give me one good damned reason I'd ever bother to do dick about shit if I was entirely sated for the rest of my life? For better or worse mind you.

If your system depends on everybody in the world getting rid of their flaws, it's pretty stupid. You can manage your own flaws, including greed and envy, but you can't completely remove them from society completely.

It is a community

Also this, greed and envy are subjective to an extent. Somebody in a terrible situation who wants better for himself might be called greedy or envious, when in reality it's a positive impulse.

>China
>It's a "China conveniently stops being State Capitalism when it can save Communisms" ass episode

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US sanctions didn't cause Venezuelan industries to shutter because it was impossible to make a profit. It's also not saying much for socialism if it needs to ride like a remora on a large non-socialist economy to survive.

>but it's not real capitalism! real capitalism has a weak government!
Take a look at all of the world's most powerful capitalist countries. All of them have massive governments, all of which have a tendency to grow in size. Face it, big government is the natural conclusion of capitalism, as it's most in the interest of the bourgeois who run the system. You can't keep blaming all the flaws of capitalism on an evil outside force. The government is an intrinsic part of capitalism.

Wait, he be saying gommunism can only work if it can leech from capitalist countries?

>You don't have those problems in China or Vietnam.
>No problems in China
As someone that's been to China the poverty you see in China is something that fuckmeat like you are physically incapable of comprehending.
You can walk 3 streets off the high rises and into a ghetto that wouldn't look entirely out of place in Rio.
Mind you that the people living out of one room, or out of a shipping container aren't enemies of the party, they're just not 'in' with the party.
Enemies of the party have it even worse.
This is your communism at work.

Well neither are you since you're on here

how would a capitalist country perform if it couldn't trade with any other country? countries are not isolated pods that live off of themselves and don't use the products of everywhere else. We live in a global economy.

> monopoly
> only possible with a powerful government
Who the fuck will stop monopoly from emerging, assuming weak government?

China is really fucked up all around.

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> how would a capitalist country perform if it couldn't trade with any other country?
Perfectly fine. US is self sustaining. Even if entire world beyong it ceased to exist, they will survive without any problem.