Stupid things that are now canon

Veganism says that animal life is sacred, yet doesn't give the same respect to plant life. It's self-defeating.

Considering how driven batman is, I find it intensely unlikely that his modern batsuits aren't equipped to handle that like a space suit. He's had an awful lot of brutal beat downs over the years. I guarantee this isn't the first time he's lost control of his bodily functions.

I'm not vegan but I also don't have the weird irrational hatred for them that a lot of people seem to do. Also I'm autistic and cannot resist attacking stupid arguments:

First off, Veganism doesn't say anything. It's not an ideology, it's a lifestyle. You can get there a lot of different ways. Many vegans do not give a fuck about animal rights, but switch because they want to reduce greenhouse gasses, or have managed to delude themselves into thinking it's healthy.

But if that is his jam, not eating meat IS respecting plant life. You have to eat something, so the objective becomes to simply minimize harm since you can't prevent it altogether. When you eat a plant, you ate one plant. When you eat an animal, you're eating every plant that animal ate. Raising a cow to slaughtering weight is nearly two tons of grain.

I don't give a shit. But if he does then veganism is the least harmful option available to you other than suicide (which I guess would be an act of mass murder against your own micro fauna so...)

So you're telling me that Batman has shat and pissed himself while fighting Bane, and then proceeded to continue all the while feces and piss were moving around his suit?

Do you think that one plant is grown at a time? And do you realize how many small animals and insects are killed by large scale farming? It's illogical all around.

Bendis did the same thing quite recently

Probably not bane. I'm sure he learned his lesson by the time he came around. That would have been more around the time he was dicking with regular mobsters most of the time.

These days I'm sure he has a sealed waste containment system built into the batsuit.

>According to him you can’t call yourself a atheist if you still eat meat.
FUCKING BASED AF
Atheist aren't men, and are less than women, so they dont get to eat meat

It's not the fact it happened, or that it tarnishes one of Batman's most iconic scenes, but that he just tells some rando about it.

How is that an argument when the cattle feed is also large-scale farmed? Any problem with plants grown for you to eat is going to be roughly 3 times worse with plants grown for cows to eat.

Dude, you're just moving goalposts. My point stands, the moral stance of "meat is murder" is bullshit.

And I still haven't seen sauce on that Kevin Smith quote.

Nah, the fact it happened is pretty garbage too. It's a shitty retcon that ruins that moment anytime you read it.

Only if you allow it to

Only way meat is murder makes sense is if you have a point of view that assumes humans are some separate entity, and not just highly intelligent animals.

humans have always been omnivores so it is natural for us to eat other animals. If we want to debate cruelty and what not towards farm animals, great. But taking the idea to eat other animals is wrong is assuming humans are somehow separate from the 'food chain's as a whole.

is the twist is he was trolling and trying to say atheists are a bunch of nu-male vegans who's only protein source is soilent?

What goalposts am I moving? My point was that cutting out meat minimizes harm. I haven't moved an inch from that position.

Your position basically boils down to "since you can't prevent harm completely you might as well do as much as you want." That logic is the same as "Since an electric car still creates a small carbon footprint due to the manufacturing process and the grid not yet being converted 100%, I might as well drive a Humvee."

I get that it's very important to you that vegans are all hypocrites so you don't have to consider your choices, but honestly it's just so much easier to stop giving a fuck. I fully recognize that meat is inefficient both in terms of lives of lifeforms and waste products produced. But I don't care. I'm not going to give it up and I don't have to justify it to anyone.

It's not my quote and I neither know nor care if he said it. I'm just dismantling your argument because the voices won't stop until I do.

Yes user. No time for bathroom breaks when you're fighting ninjas or working with the League in outer space.

>slott is writing she-hulk
>another writer (austen?) writes juggernaut and she-hulk having had sex
>running gag that she-hulk constantly denies it happening
>civil war happens and she-hulk gets depowered by tony
>slott decides to retcon both at the same time and it's revealed that the jen that slept with juggernaut and was depowered was a jen from an alternate universe
>over ten years later another writer has jen admit she did sleep with juggernaut, thus retconning slott's retcon
Sometimes I almost feel bad for Slott. Almost.

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My point was never "just do as much harm as possible hurr" it's that you cannot eat without another lifeform dying, and that veganism is a self-defeating philosophy, and you never dismantled shit. Get rekt, scrub.

>is the twist is he was trolling
I thought red state was Kevin Smith making a dark comedy until I found out it was meant to be taken seriously.

>People remember red state outside of /k/
That movie hilarious. It accidentally made westboro Baptist church look good by pointing out they never hurt anyone. yet the movies as suppose to be pro gun control and pro law Enforcement. But it made the ATF look like fascists. The cult in red state only ritualized killed one gay guy that was hitting on minors. They were just gonna ransoms the suspected sex addicts. ATF killed everyone in the movie including the hostages. imfdb.org/wiki/Red_State

Sounds like what happen with Far cry 5. Far cry 5 was suppose to have pro gun control themes yet it ended up making a case for gun ownership and militias by accident.

kevin smith a fat fucking hack

fuck him, red state was horrible, it was kevin fat smith trying to be the cohen brothers

>fuck him, red state was horrible
Fuck off Yas Forums

im not ?pol? i just hate that film, its badly written, badly acted , badly shot

Dan Slott's a fucking goof.

I was there when he went ballistic on the cbr forums. I remember when he was bashing some user for some comments, and people were commenting how that seemed bizarre, and then there were some articles defending him, I think one on cbr.

I used to think he was an alright guy, very friendly in interviews, but I will never take that again as a measure of a person's kindness. I had no idea I was witnessing comic book history (well overall entertainment history) play out, because this behavior carries over to the tv shows and movies, not just comics. Because, you know, these people all know each other.

Humans at this point in time have the ability to live healthy and fulfilling lives without meat, when the option is available that argument no longer stands.

Why should we? Life is life.

Veganism is harmful on a morale level too, but only toward other people.

I like meat, so I will continue to consume meat.

Because we have the power to lessen the pain of the life of others and should treat others the way we want to be treated. Anything else is hypocrisy, even if it is natural.

How is it harmful toward other people?

>wanting to call yourself a "logical atheist"

The rare and exotic foods needed for Veganism, such as Avocados and the like, can only be grown on special farms in the United States. Almost all farms employ some form of illegal immigrant, who lives in poor working conditions and is paid a shit wage who is constantly under threat of deportation.
They also leave a larger carbon footprint than one might not realize.
bbc.com/future/article/20200211-why-the-vegan-diet-is-not-always-green

But worst of all, it makes Vegans.

Let's be real, vegans are shitty because by avoiding honey, especially locally sourced honey, they hurt the bees.

>The rare and exotic foods needed for Veganism, such as Avocados and the like,
After skimming the article (which still says that meat eaters overall have a larger carbon footprint) I agree that eating those specific foods can be detrimental to the environment but those none of those specific foods are needed to be vegan.

>When a Single Panel is more Memorable than your entire writing career.

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No, but they are the most popular.

I'd rather be eaten by a cow than become a Vegan, user.

Kevin Smith's got nothing in common with Alan Moore

>you cannot eat without another lifeform dying,

We agree. This is foundational to my position. My point is that while eating vegetables kills life forms, eating meat kills far more life forms. It takes nearly 2 tons of grain to make well under a ton of beef. The conversion ratio is somewhere between 2.5/1 and 3/1.

>veganism is a self-defeating philosophy,

As far as I can tell these points are not related. You say veganism makes no sense if your objective is not to kill shit. I demonstrate empirically that while yes, a vegan diet does kill shit, meat kills far more shit. You just restate your position and break out the ad-homs.

Do you have any other foundation to your position besides the "but plants are alive too" that, while true, does not actually support your conclusion?

>The conversion ratio is somewhere between 2.5/1 and 3/1.
The same source also confirmed that feeding cows cereals is a net-positive on protein. If all we needed were calories, we'd be eating sugar canes

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Interesting. Now we're getting somewhere!

I got mine from a different source that was actually talking how to raise cattle. Does your source clarify whether that's as compared to grain or to beans?

If it's as compared to a grain, I'll need to compare the per-plant yield between common feed grains and sources of plant protein. You may very well be correct but I need to check the math.

Stahp

Maybe that's what the sharkspray really is.

Jen killing a Cop & being accomplice to Torture.

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Here is the paper researchgate.net/publication/312201313_Livestock_On_our_plates_or_eating_at_our_table_A_new_analysis_of_the_feedfood_debate

I doubt we'll ever be able to get any objective numbers. Large parts of animal feed are by-products.
How are you going to weight those (by percent of the plant/by economic demand)?
Do you count bees that pollinate food crops, but not feed crops?
Do you count the insects that animals occasionally eat in their grass?

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>required to be vegan
>most popular

You must be real fit from moving those goalposts.

Well, this isn't a research paper. We can make some broad assumptions.

>Grass and Leaves
When you graze on grass you're not necessarily killing it since it can grow back. However, a cow (that would never have been born if not for meat production) still kills some of it between over-grazing and trod-down. Let's call it 30%? So... 30% of 46% = 13.8%. We'll round it up to 14%
>Crop residues, by-products
Some of those by-products could theoretically be used for other stuff but I see no evidence that we're growing extra grain just for hay or anything like that. 0%
>Fodder Crops, Grains, other edible.
Obviously. 21%
>Oil Seed Cakes
The fuck is that? > coarse residue obtained after oil is removed from various oilseeds
Okay that's another byproduct, we still need cooking oil. But I'm taking 1% because some of those oils are in Other Edible.
>bees
Nah. Not feeding bees =/= killing bees. If this were about environmental impact maybe but it isn't.
>Insects
Nah. Now we're talking about incidental consequences and if we go that far we have to, unironically this time, count shit like gut flora and microbes on plants and there has to be a fucking limit or else you're not allowed to take medicine either.

I'm also not factoring in the fact that the 2.5-3 is total body weight of the animal rather than just the usable portions because much of that is used for other things.

So we're looking at about 38%. (2.5 to 3)*.38 = 0.95-1.14. So probably just about a push. And that's with pretty liberal estimates and rounding up for grass and for oil seed cakes. Also there's probably a difference in the amount of pesticide requirements for feed animals...

I concede. Good game. Thank you for arguing in good faith.