Why did they have to ruin him in Endgame?

> man who saved the world and should have retired decades ago selflessly saves the world seven more time
> he retires and finally gets the happy ending he always wanted but thought had been lost forever

How is this a bad thing? What kind of a fucking asshole do you have to be to look at everything Cap gave the world and then deny him the chance to be happy himself?

this post is everything wrong with the mcu. with live action adaptations in general.

Please. Sharon was barely in these movies. I think Cap might legitimately have more screentime with Rocket Racoon than he does with Sharon.

I can understand why some fans didn't like the outcome but it was in character. CW showed he's a bit selfish and didn't feel comfortable as a soldier. EG time traveling gave him a chance to get Pegged, and he also saw she didn't get over him so the guy took it. This Cap ain't a perfect princess, great tits though.

Why was Feige so triggered with the idea of granting Cap a heroic sacrifice? RDJ hijacked this franchise by Civil War onwards and ruined so much of the MCU

>No one LIKED serious Thor.
Ok zoomer. Thor is the last kind of Marvel characters that should become comedic you fucking casual. Here's a concept of how Thor should be treated

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No one liked Thor, so lets have his character overshadow Peter Quill and turn the Guardians into his groupies. Righhttt

What are some other endings that could have provided closure and a satisfying ending for the character?

>took the vormir guardian mantle from red skull and banished his ass, guarding the stone that contains at least one of his friend's souls from further abuse
>helped Tony wield the gauntlet and lost the serum in doing so, retired from it all and took up art and occasional mentoring
>the above except he also dies alongside Iron Man, ending it "together" like he swore

How did he hijack the franchise? He was always the main character of the series

IW Thor, particularly when he arrives at Wakanda is the only good Thor.
Fuck you.

>Please. Sharon was barely in these movies.
Thanks for proving my point on how the MCU didn't cared for Cap enough that they stripped him of one of his most essential support characters, you retard

>No one LIKED serious Thor. The Dark World is one of the most forgettable movies in the whole lineup.
Then they should have made a better movie instead of just crapping on his character with the cringefest that is Ragnarok

Because RDJ didn't want out as much as Evans did and RDJ was expensive as fuck. They needed to kill him. Which meant, Rogers had to end his arc in a different way, because two final battle deaths undermine each other, in terms of impact.

>blaming an actor for the writing
He kept his character consistent, but every big decision wasn't anything to do with him. But it's stupid not to promote Iron man, everybody likes that guy.
Their worst sin was to remove Sharon so they could muh Peggy Carter and continue Whedon's retarded rivalry angle for Iron Man and Cap.

If fucking everyone gets a heroic sacrifice one after another like a kamikaze conga line, it loses its effectiveness. If you want the sacrifice to have impact with the audience you can't overdo it.

Tony had to die, because it had been proven time and time again that he was literally incapable of staying away from trouble. A living Tony not being involved with Avengers stuff was simply not going to work (and we know this, because he has tried to walk away and not had it stick at least twice already) so to retire the character you have to kill him. No way around it.

Cap didn't have to die to stop fighting, he just didn't have anything else anymore. Giving him the sappy happy ending he has been pining over for 10 years is a fitting conclusion for him and resolve his story without needed to kill him off, meaning that you have a contrast between his fate and Starks rather than them both beating the same drum.

Tony needed to die, heroically or otherwise, and Cap doing the same bit would have just cheapened it for both of them.

His character met his peak after Ultron.
He and Marvel Studios' heads basically forced his character into everything after CW, it was awful

I'm talking about the movie, obviously. The serious Thor movies (Thor 1 + 2) were notoriously weak entries that didn't have much audience pull.

>How is this a bad thing? What kind of a fucking asshole do you have to be to look at everything Cap gave the world and then deny him the chance to be happy himself?
Yeah, allowing HYDRA to grow inside SHIELD, lying your wife about it , letting your best friend be tortured for 70 years or stealing the life of his alternate self is definitely how Cap should act as the price for that.
Kys mousedrone

>all that meddling in the timeline turned our Cap retroactively into Hydra Cap, all of that was good for him
He also cucked himself.

>because two final battle deaths undermine each other, in terms of impact.
What regard corporate insanity is that.
Ending close to a decade of the MCU with its two biggest leads --- Cap and Tony --- sacrificing themselves in the final battle would have been the best way to write BOTH of them out.

Instead Tony became Marvel Jesus, with that stupid fucking kneel scene, and Cap got to have his character assassinated in a poorly written time travel scene, in a movie that is ruined by a poorly thought out time travel mechanic

You answered it yourself

Sharon's inclusion at all was a mistake in the MCU.
It would have been better if they had Cap's character trajectory be more in line with TWS --- him being disillusioned with the past/his impossible desire to go back in time. Instead, after Civil War his character is forgotten about and largely relegated to $$$ cameos.

I didn't say everyone, I said two characters----Tony and Steve, at the climax of the movie.
But instead Feige and RDJ derailed Steve's character for one idiotic reason or another

>he retires and finally gets the happy ending he always wanted
He didn't. You see clearly moving on since AoU, the kiss scene from Civil War is even a fucking prove of that.
Until Endgame changes the writing of 4+ movies out of nowhere of course

>Tony takes the gems
>falls to his knees, seemingly tearing apart at the seams like any other mortal
>Cap suddenly grabs his wrist and reiterates "Together" they GotG it, cementing their repaired friendship, brotherhood etc and Thanos gets fucked, our lads die together, vanished, obliterated, and we don't go through a sadness porn death scene, instead just a funeral for Steve, Tony and Natasha at the lake
>Bucky gives Sam the shield
There we go. I thought Tony's death was very effective, but at the same time it was kind of grotesque. It would have been okay not to have a scene like that.

RDJ has gone on record to say he wanted out of the MCU "before it started getting embarassing". Hell, the man didn't even want Tony's end to be a heroic sacrifice. He wanted a happy ending for his character but had to come to terms with the sacrifice because there was nothing he could do about it.

Yup. Cap let Hydra, 9/11, and every other fucking disaster under the Sun develop.

Instead of granting Steve's character a worthy end, his character is mangled because Marvel Studios is incapable of writing a time travel subplot that doesn't suck

Fucking this. That would have been such a better way to end the movie

Directors confirmed he turned that timeline into a better place and the consequences of his actions will be explored later on. They ain't gonna show you all that shit though, that's for the disney plus show.

The writers said otherwise, right? Pretty sure the Russos were just damage controlling it.

It's still character assasination, no matter how they want to sugarcoat it
>They ain't gonna show you all that shit though, that's for the disney plus show.
>still believing this after all this time
You're really naïve, user

>They ain't gonna show you all that shit though, that's for the disney plus show.
>Convoluted responses that are contradictory between directors and writers and clearly not thought out
>LMAO just shove it in disney plus (which will never fucking happen)

This borders on controlled destruction of a brand

>The writers said otherwise, right?
The time travel mechanics idea that made it to the final movie didn't actually come from the script writers though.

>this kills Endgame's writing

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The writers claimed he was Peggy's husband in the main timeline, effectively not doing shit to help his friends. But they didn't accompany the russos all the time. Like they didn't know exactly how time traveling worked. The russos has the final word here, iirc in the bd commentary they reconciled.

That just makes it worse, kek.

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>directors admit that the character isn't one they care that much for
>screenwriters are hacks
>both end up assassinating him
You only have yourselves to blame for constantly dicksucking the Russo's and Mcfeely's after TWS

lol

so he kissed his own granddaughter or what?

NO ONE LIKED THOR ON EARTH
NAT PORTMAN WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE
SIF WAS A BETTER WAIFU AND RAG WAS GREAT FOR BEING A WEIRD ASS THOR COMIC

I've heard opposite and I'm willing to bet he'll return, but okay.

Yes and no

Can't exactly come back when your character is dead unless it's through flashbacks and we've already seen with Black Widow that they're using footage already shot before he left and is in their vaults.

heroic sacrifice should be the last resort not the fucking goal

They didn't. Just because they don't in your funny books doesn't mean they wouldn't if they were actually allowed to live and grow, and Endgame was absolutely the end of arc that Steve deserved from First Avenger.

>Americans really think it's shameful for a veteran to live a long and happy life after their service is done, and that death in the field should be mandatory.

>They didn't.
They did, though. There are plenty of heroes who deserve happy endings and don't get them. It's called tragedy. Introducing a plot device in the final hour to have Steve choose to stop being a hero is bad writing.

>Just because they don't in your funny books
Ok shill
>if they were actually allowed to live and grow
Moving on from the past is exactly that, retard

because cap's character assassination was so much better then?

>>Dumbass thinks that allowing a terrorist organization grow in your country and torture your best friend for the pussy is good, especially for the kind of character Cap is
No wonder you like it so much, they made him pussy-whipped as much as you are

they didn't, Tony told him he needed to settle down he was just taking his friends advice. the war was over. the movies kept over and over bringing up Cap's inability to stop fighting it was pretty obvious to close off his character arc he needed to learn how to stop; characters change. it's really baffling how someone can look at
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and say yeah that's proof he would never ever learn to live without war, do you even story. Tony was always the one set up to do the "sacrifice" play. Capfags want so badly to Cap to just be the best in every aspect the thought of him doing something for himself is heresy to them.

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We literally don't know what he did in the other timeline he went to. Go ahead and headcanon that he saved Bucky, stopped 9-11 and Hydra, and killed The Grandmaster when she tried to stop him from altering time if that's what you want.

That's the usual process for these films. Directors have the final word. Moreover when Disney was sniping any leaker.
His grandniece. Question is if they porked or not.