Is it really that good? Is it actually engrossing, or it is more "look how good clever I am"?

It's great, but you'll really feel bummed out about Moore's ''originality'' if you've ever read Steve Gerber's Man-Thing run or were attached to any of the supporting characters from the previous Wein/Pasko runs (all of whom get put through the shitter except Abby).

The best stories tend to be the one-offs like The Anatomy Lesson or Pog instead of the arcs.

Yeah, the characters get put through the ringer quite a bit. Hell, all of them. Swamp Thing and Abby are the mains but both get put through some shit. But there is also a lot of beautiful stuff, poetic stuff.

Are you saying Moore borrowed from Gerber? First I've heard this.

You think Abby had it easy? After the thing with her uncle and the trip to ya know. Trying to keep it spoiler free here. But I really don't think she had it easy either.

it is probably his best work, far better than Watchmen.

I've read about half of Gerbers run and Moore really does not lift much if anything directly from it.
There is a similar vibe but nothing huge.

That Pogo one shot was some quality depression material no doubt.

That's another thing that I was looking to hear. I like Watchmen, but it's overrated. It's a little too... soulless, to use a meme phrase.

My favorite western comic, so yes

It lives up to it's hype, Moore does a good job with all the mystic/horror characters (even if he kills a few).

She at least got to be a heroine and grow as a person, Matt became a pawn of Arcane, Dennis became a crazy abusive redneck and Liz became an abused doormat who then falls for that hippie creep Chester.

At least Matt became a Raven.

Swamp Thing is his second best cape comic after Watchmen.
It is probably more up your alley if you want to spend time with the characters. Watchmen is a completely different type of comic altogether that explores some similar themes. I disagree about it being soulless, though.

Big apocalyptic scenes where the villains inspires madness worldwide (Arcane/Woodrue=Thog), hero finds out he's the elemental guardian of some mystic gateway realm (The Green=Nexus of All Realities). A bunch of one-off ''topical'' stories (the closest I can think of like that in ST prior to Moore was the slavery story in #10).

I'm not saying it's a 100% steal, but the fact that it had been done before with a swamp monster is suspect. I mean, look at how much shit Gaiman gets for 'ripping off' Moore's first ST arc in Sandman when really, the only thing they have in common is a C-list villain becoming insanely powerful. If that's justified, so is pointing out Moore's similarities to Gerber.

>I recently read Moore's Batman Annual about Clayface I need more of that kind of engaging storytelling.
When was this

>look at how much shit Gaiman gets for 'ripping off' Moore's first ST arc in Sandman
I've never heard this comparison brought up.

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Check out any review online of Preludes and Nocturnes. To be fair, the most vocal about it are Scans_Daily (who hate Gaiman), but I've still seen it brought up as a comparison way too much.

>Check out any review online of Preludes and Nocturnes.
I've checked several, and none of them have brought this up as a genuine critique.

Yeah I read it in my copy of "The DC Universe by Alan Moore".

this isn't /shelf/ but holy crap, that Tales of the Demon HC that's coming out doesn't have the adams recolours in it

user I have dug through a lot of reviews and discussions on it and I've found nothing. I don't think this is as widespread a thing as you thought.

based /shelf/user

She still very much had her share of traumas. And I wasn't particularly fond of a lot of the side characters that popped up desu so eh. Moore did more good with his world than anything and built so much.

Oh yeah, that Clayfacr in insane and falls in love with a mannequin. When a mall cop starts talking to "her" he goes on a killing spree and starts screaming to her "Look at the cuckold! Look at the cuckold!".

He sounds pretty based, desu.

It changed comics forever.

And in the end he still gets back together with her...

Alan Moore considers this to be better than The Killing Joke, though he hates The Killing Joke so that ain't saying too much.

Post plant sex

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I finished Moores ST recently. Is the series worth continuing? Or does everything else pale in comparison?

>look at how much shit Gaiman gets for 'ripping off' Moore's first ST arc in Sandman
Where?

It's good but everyone who skips directly to it instead of reading the original run as well is a fucking hipster poser that doesn't appreciate good horror art

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Man, I love that panel where Swamp Thing's face is coming out of the shadows.

Also, do continue.

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Wrightson's art really was the highlight of Wein's run. The "muck encrusted mockery of a man" thing Len was constantly pushing gets old quick but man is Bernie's art beautiful.

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How can non-vegetable men even compete?

They can't, it's why she dumps her comatose husband, who ends up becoming Dream's pet Raven.

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At any rate, this run was Alan Moore at his best. He wasn't a grumpy old man yet, he still had so much to give. And boy did he give it!
Everyone should obtain these books and adore them like I do.

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HNNNNNG the vines curling around her leg. That's been my fetish since Evil Dead. Wish I could vine a girl.

You're an alright bloke, mate.

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>Swamp Thing was little more than a one note tragic monster who would go town to town and people would run him out with pitchforks.
This stopped being a thing after the first Batman crossover. The government wanted him, but he was pretty clearly a good guy to everyone he interacted with for the rest of Wein's run.

Honestly, it was more my overall takeaway from it. It really didn't feel like much more than that throughout it even if not every story was exactly that. I liked a few of the stories though.

I finished Moores run recently. Is the series worth continuing from here on?

Yes, keep reading the Veitch run. Then skip Doug Wheeler's run (seriously) and then pick up again with Nancy Collins' run.

Not really. The Millar/Morrison issues are the only vaguely noteworthy things after, and then only barely.

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Opinions are what they are, of course. What did you find good about the Veitch run? I thought it was very badly written, and I'm not aware of a lot of praise given to that run. Most reviews I've read of that run aren't positive. It strikes me as Veitch attempting to write far beyond his capacity, and failing terribly to be deep or profound or even entertaining. As I say, opinions are what they are. What did you like about Veitch's run?

Forgot to mention, I'm a big hellblazer fan. So more Constantine would already be a good reason to keep reading.

Worth noting, some quite nice Swamp Thing stories, some that actually add to the Swamp Thing lore and mythos, in here.

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