Harley Quinn goes full hero confirmed

>Where is Clayface anyway?
Last time Tynion wrote him he went into hiding. Last time he appeared he was pretending to be Two-Face (or maybe it was Riddler?) in Bane's city to make sure shit didn't go to hell, he was Batman's mole or something.

>How the fuck could you possibly know that?
Then you have a problem with that?

Nevermind, I'm stupid, is right, he was pretending to be Joker. I suppose he went back to hiding after this.

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I'm saying that you're full of shit.

Is it weird how I kinda want Batman and Harley to develop a sort of brother/sister dynamic?

How about we make Annie canon, make her the “hero clayface”, and have her be friends with Cass while Karlo goes back to being bad? Annie would be the good portion of Karlo that lives on independently

You either have a problem with that or you don't.

Honestly, if "Joker's past henchwoman" is too irredeemable for you, I can't see how you could accept that redemption of any villain.

Half of the Avengers have killed more innocents than Harley.

Holy fuck, JRJr is such shit.
How the fuck does he still have a job?

I love this cover so much. Everything about it just works, Batman seething, Joker in the driver seat, having the front of the Batmobile off the frame, not letting the viewer know whether the Joker is just pranking Batman with a joyride or going on a road rage spree. Sorry to sound like a fag but man this cover is good.

He did a good job in Superman Year One.

Your entire argument is based on assumptions that you can't confirm because I haven't said squat.
Go fuck yourself with your "but Marvel" shit.

Oh I can explain that. Namor and Doom are good characters and don't automatically drag down the quality of every comic they're in.
Me not liking hero Harley doesn't mean I like villain Harley.

That's not the Batmobile. That's the Batwing. Joker's piloting a fucking plane. And somehow, I don't think he's ever taken a single aviation class.

>Namor and Doom are good characters and don't automatically drag down the quality of every comic they're in.
Given how Namor has literally no good stories whatsoever, that can't be true.

And Doom is fascist garbage for edgelords.

I reckon Batman will finally kill The Joker close to 100

Has Tynion’s run been any good so far? King left a bad taste in my mouth, haven’t felt compelled to buy any comics in the past few months since Batman was the main one I followed.
I think it’s a combination of his inker, colorist, and phoning it in. I find it hard to believe that an artist could get away with not drawing a background on a Batman title unless it was incredibly deliberate and made the scene better for it.

pic related: the state of Harley

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Yeah I noticed it after I hit post. The upside city makes it really work. I could easily see this in either a Silver Age story, as well as a darker, more contemporary one.

She was just Joker's heavy. Hardly the vile and foul monster that Yas Forums pretends she is.

About 99% villains have done worse than villain, and I haven't seen Yas Forums seething when those villains become heroes.

dc.fandom.com/wiki/Katherine_Karlo_(Prime_Earth)

Is GCA even canon?

I like Karlo, and I don't want him to go back to being bad, if you really want an evil Clayface just bring back Matt Hagen.
Also , Karlo already has a daughter (not Annie, who was Hagen's kid in the cartoon anyways).

What's the point of Clayface's development if he just gets his "good" out and goes back to being bad?

yeah but you'd think there would be a transition period between 'blows up preschools' and 'JL buddy-buddy', something to push the character forward; not a sudden jump like that
it's not that villains -> heroes stories are bad - they're not, inject Superlex or antihero Black Adam into my veins - but it's just not good storytelling, hence the Sasuke comparison - she's now supposed to be good so she is

user you're a retard but if you want a honest response, he is always partnered with shit tier inker's and colourists, look t his stuff in All Star Batman if you want to see good jrjr

>yeah but you'd think there would be a transition period between 'blows up preschools' and 'JL buddy-buddy', something to push the character forward; not a sudden jump like that
Sudden jump? There's 9 years between those two stories. 9 years.

Lex Luthor, Namor, Dr. Doom, Clayface, Loki, Ex Nihilo, Sinister, Apocalypse, Doctor Octopus. Within those 9 years, all those characters have gone villain - hero - villain, some more than one time.

All of them have done much worse than Harley Quinn. How is it that Harley is the one doing the sudden jump?

Yeah Punchline was definitely made to fill the gap as the new Jokergirl villain. Harley's probably gonna be out of the Skwad soon and on a BoP/Sirens book as a full hero. Watch Joker and Punchline become the new Skwad's top billing post Joker War and be the new Punch and Jewelee

99% of those villains did what they did for some reason, not because the laughs

Explain Dr. Doom reasons.

>inb4 "HE WANTS TO SAVE LE WORLD!"

Why do you keep going to Marvel when we're talking about DC?

What, are Marvel characters beyond this sort of shit?

Okay, then explain Lex Luthor or Clayface reasons.

>What, are Marvel characters beyond this sort of shit?
They have nothing to do in a conversation about DC characters, you fucking cunt.

It's all capeshit. Why would they be so incomparable?

Who has killed more innocents: Namor or Harley Quinn?

>Luthor
had a whole arc about becoming a JL member, where he was treated with suspicion bordering on hostility for a while, AND he took over for Superbro when he got dusted
>Doom
fair though he still is kind of a villain, and still is distrusted
>Clayface
a big part of that 'Tec run was him struggling with not being a villain because Batman for once tried to help someone, something he ultimately failed in this case
>Ock
again, had a lot of character development as Superior, and did not become heroic overnight

rest I can't really talk about
point is, it wouldn't be annoying if a) Harley wasn't suddenly some OP character that can fucking look at Johnny Sorrow unmasked because lolkuhrayzee, and solves issues just because she is the great DC mascot Harley Quinn, b) there was some semblance of character development at work, not a 'sup guys I'm with you now' - is relies on everybody being utterly retarded
(Not that there are no good stories that can explain the change - Sejić's Harley being the newest - but none of them are treated as anything more than elseworlds, so yeah)

Why the fuck do you keep bringing Namor into the conversation? Okay, we get it, you don't like the guy

Are you talking about Gage SpOck or Slott SpOck?
Because in Slott's version he pretty much become a hero overnight and everyone went "I guess you're acting nothing like the person that I've known for years but whatever, I guess".

It’s the guy who spams Namor threads

>had a whole arc about becoming a JL membe
A whole arc that was shorter than 9 years.
>fair though he still is kind of a villain, and still is distrusted
Trusted enough to raise the children of Marvel heroes.
>a big part of that 'Tec run was him struggling with not being a villain because Batman for once tried to help someone, something he ultimately failed in this case
A run that was shorter than 9 years.
>again, had a lot of character development as Superior, and did not become heroic overnight
9 years isn't overnight either.

No matter the angle you look at this, Harley's path to redemption has been waaaay longer than that of any other villain.

And considering that, unlike any of them, she serves time (hence why she is in the Suicide Squad) and is the least villainous of any "villain-made-hero", I really can't understand why Yas Forums wants to pretend that Harley is some sort of irredeemable monster.

Is it sexism?

>Is it sexism?
You have nothing better to do with your time, do you?

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okay, give me the definitive story that cements Harley as a heroic character and no longer a villain, whether in Joker's employ or on her own
also if you really want to play Harley Quinn Anti-Defamation League, explain how she went from a glorified mook with no superpowers to an A+ tier super

>okay, give me the definitive story that cements Harley as a heroic character and no longer a villain, whether in Joker's employ or on her own
I can't give you one story like that for Namor, or Dr. Doom, or Doc Ock, or Lex Luthor, or any "villain-turned-hero" in the last decade.

Maybe the story of Harley's moon getting cancer goes close enough.

You still haven't explained what makes Harley Quinn irredeemable when compared villains that have done much worse than her. Or is Yas Forums going to argue that being joker's henchman makes you a villain bigger than Dr. Doom?

>something he ultimately failed in this case
Did he really tho? The only reason Clayface went evil was because he was kidnapped and then forced tho, and then he was "killed" by Batwoman, and then after that he's been shown to not be evil anymore, even helping Batman.

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I don't give a shit about Marvel, I care about Harley
Issues, numbers, pages if you have to stretch yourself

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>I don't give a shit about Marvel, I care about Harley
Heh. I hadn't taken you for a Harleyfag.
>Issues, numbers, pages if you have to stretch yourself
I really shouldn't go through all this trouble.

Harley Quinn #62, from the run that started in 2016.

Happy yet?

Only if heroine Harley keeps a lot of her personality quirks and style. I.e she still fights like she used to, employing heroic variants on old tactics.

>9 years of buildup
>tells me that I should start in June 2019
lmao, glad you admit it was hack writing

Cope harder DCuck

The acceptance of hero Harley by Batfags was inevitable.

youtube.com/watch?v=VfCYZ3pks48
same energy

You didn't ask for the start of her redemption, you asked for the story that cemented her as a non-villain.

Why Harley is so irredeemable in your opinion? What makes her a bigger villain than Dr. Doom?

is this the first time that they've called him Dick again in solicits?

RIP Ric