DCAU Thread

ITT we talk about the DC Animated Universe in its entirety, both shows and it's extended films. Had Justice League gotten it's 3rd season, or more, what sort stories and characters could they have introduced (ignoring embargoes of course)? If you remember, a lot of the show pulled from comic canon at the time, hence why The Flash was Wally and Aquaman had a hook hand. Would Wonder Woman or Flash have gotten their own solo series as Batman and Superman did before them? For those who need a refresh, the DCAU includes
>Batman TAS/The New Batman Adventures
>Superman TAS
>Justice League
>Justice League Unlimited
>Batman Beyond
>Batman Mask of The Phantasm
>Batman Beyond The Return of The Joker
>Static Shock
>The Zeta Project
Discuss

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I think that BTAS is kind of bland. The other shows still hold up for the most part

>Had Justice League gotten it's 3rd season

...It did get its third season. Epilogue was the original intended finale. They specifically gave the series as conclusive a finale as they could specifically because they didn't want to continue it any further.

TNBA is really good. I honestly wonder if you could actually replicate that 90’s traditional color bleed digitally. I actually kind of preferred that over JL’s tidiness in its own way.

The best shared comic universe that had years a build that paid off perfectly.

It's a shame that Titans crossover never happened. Batman mentioned them in Static Shock but never came up.

Also the best arc was President Luther and the solo episode Man that had everything.

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I don't know why OP was talking about JL S3 as a hypothetical thing, but Epilogue felt like more of a Batman Beyond finale than a JLU finale. It took place so far into the future and showed so little of the League that it was pretty detached from JLU and its cast. Only Waller's character development was a JLU tangent rather than a Beyond thing.

Also, your interpretation of the season finales sounds somewhat different from what I've heard. There was this Timm quote about how they tried to make sure that every single JL/U season finale went out with a bang. Their intention was that if they didn't get ordered another season, then the season finale would work as a satisfying series finale. But in case they did get ordered more, their season finale shouldn't wrap everything up too definitively so that there would still be enough room to write more stories for another season.

>Their intention was that if they didn't get ordered another season, then the season finale would work as a satisfying series finale. But in case they did get ordered more, their season finale shouldn't wrap everything up too definitively so that there would still be enough room to write more stories for another season.
That was for the first season finale. They went in to the third season being told in no uncertain terms that the show was ending and that they weren't gonna get another season, which is why it ended as conclusively as it did.

What about that apocalyptic event where batman "killed" al ghul?
Were the titans part of it? I remember batman name dropped them in a static episode.

Nothing is really known about the near apocalypse of ‘09 (god I feel old) beyond that it concluded with Bruce fucking up Ra’s so badly that the Lazarus Pits could no longer sustain him.

There was going to be a another season after the Legion of Doom arc. It was there they were going to introduce characters like Black Manta

I hope we would have gotten Babs in some form. Barring Embargoes a version of the Outsiders pitting the Bat-family against the League would have been cool. I also would have loved seeing more Green Arrow characters added, namely Mia.

With a new comic (Batman: The Adventure Continue) set in DCAU continuity coming out, does anyone hope that a new animated series is not far off? I know people's feelings on Timm's last few offerings, abundantly, but with the right crew and the right restrictions I think a Timmverse project could be pretty good.

>Timmverse
I'm actually disgusted by this term, the over abundance of credit he's given, and the fact that those two movies even trick people into thinking they're DCAU canon when they're not. You know who the real minds behind the DCAU were? Paul Dini and Dwayne McDuffie. Timm was there to draw and insert his fetishes. That's it.

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No, there was not.

Yeah, there was. Go back and listen to the behind the scenes commentary. They had plans to keep going.

Favorite episodes:
>BTAS
Two-Face 2 parter
Heart of Ice
Beware the Gray Ghost
Joker's Favor
Perchance to Dream
Robins Reckoning 1&2
The Laughhing Fish
Almost Got 'Im

>TNBA
Over the Edge
Old Wounds
Mad Love
Growing Pains

Jesus, get over your hate boner

user nothing said was untrue. Moreover, why the hell do you even care?

They wrote every season thinking that it could be their last one. That's why every season of JL and JLU had some kind of big climactic finale.

>Bruce Timm: "It kind of bugs me that BTAS, STAS, and Batman Beyond all went out with a ‘poof’ instead of a ‘bang’ (actually, Superman’s ‘Legacy’ was the closest thing we ever had to a true ‘the end,’ but even it was a bit of a cliffhanger, and a downer to boot). On JL / JLU we plan on each season being our last, just in case. We want to have a satisfying conclusion to each season, but still keep the door open to continue the series should be get picked up.
>“’Starcrossed’ is a good example: if we hadn’t gotten picked up for more episodes, it would have been an excellent way to end the series. Fortunately, we did get picked up, and the events of ‘Starcrossed’ tied in perfectly with the JLU re-format. If we’ve done everything right, the current season’s finale [for Season Four] will work pretty much the same way.”

Just to be sure; when you say "third season", which season do you mean? JL had two seasons and JLU had three, but sometimes people interpret them as one series rather than two, or label the season/episode numbers differently.

I really wish that JLU had used more of the expanded League. I loved episodes like Patriot Act for that reason. An actual JSA or JLI episode would've been cool too. They definitely could've gotten better use out of the villains as well.

And a proper Detroit episode prior to the Aquaman embargo.

I liked Young Justice S1 because it felt a bit like JLU. Didn't find out until later that Dini was on it. Haven't liked the new seasons since he left.

>STAS
The Last Son of Krypton 1,2until ,3
Mxyzpixilated
World's Finest
The Late Mr. Kent
Apokolips Now 1,2

Any hour-long Justice League episode would make a better movie than what we get now.

And the funny thing? City was the last Arkham game Dini wrote.
World's Finest special was the Batman/Superman movie we deserved

Patriot Act shits all over the current DC animated movies.

The other day someone tried to talk to me about how Superman was boring and I told them to watch For the Man Who Has Everything but he preferred to not challenge his perceptions.

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Dini wasn't on YJ. But I guess anything good that happens has to be attributed to him somehow.

>Yas Forums deserving anything

Didn't Moore even compliment that episode?

He actually allowed himself to be listed in the credits as a co-creator of the story, unlike the Watchmen movie.

i wanna see the aftermath of what happened after clayface was set on fireworks by flash, he was sent flying in millions of pieces, hopefully there's be an explanation in Batman the adventures continue.

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and that's assuming that it takes place after the secret society episodes.

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I was hoping Annie would be brought up. In that Annie thread, we kicked around the idea of her having an encounter with Baby Doll. I’ve taken it upon myself to actually write that episode. I want to know if Batman actually refers to her by her actual name (Mary Dahl) or her moniker (Baby Doll). I’m too lazy to look it up, and also busy with the script.

It's an understandable mistake to make. YJ had one good season. Why wouldn't people attribute it to the talent leaving? Because that's what usually happens.

Its a whole other thing to credit somebody had zero involvement though.

Beyond the jarring time I liked a lot of season 2.

Time skip*

Personally, I didn’t like anything beyond the first episode. After that, it sorta stopped being interesting to me. Although I really can’t pinpoint why.

I mean, it’s not like Young Justice as a whole is Batman v Superman levels of bad or anything. I just remembered being hyped by the premiere and loving it as a whole. But then it quickly fizzled out for me and I lost interest.

Well, everyone has their tastes, user. I like the concept of legacy in comics and that's one of the show's main things. So I'm up for exploration of that. Its not perfect but it has enough characters I care about. I wouldn't mind more Brave and Bold type stuff too. More comedic and zany and just fun. I love the DCAU but I feel like I've rewatched it more than I like to admit and it's probably said all its needed to say through hundreds of episodes of continuity.

Those cartoons, particulalry JLU, made it clear to me how people don't read comics due to distribution. I was in high school when it aired (so, older than the intended audience) and everyone fucking LOVED it, the jocks, the girls, everyone, to the point most of my class would watch it in the school auditorium whenever we had post-lunch prep-school.

JLU being good is also a big factor.

yeah fair enough

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: the DCAU deserves all the praise it got and gets, but everything from TNBA onward has ironically crystalized and tied down Batman and his corner of DC to a now-aging pop culture default in it, the same way the Superman movie's kept Superman tied to 1978. Too many aging fanboys constantly harp on the glories of Conroy, Hamill, etc. being DA BEST or THE REAL VERSIONS versus a lot of new and sometimes just as good interpretations in comics or other media themselves. This is only going to get worse and worse IMO the way I'm sure no one quite realized what the 1978 movie did for Superman in the bad as well as the (obviously very) good.

Reminder that a lot of stupid ideas Tom King had about Batman, like there not being a Bruce Wayne or how Batman can't be happy and Batman at the same time, came from TNBA.

Reminder that Epilogue completely defeated the point of Terry being his own Batman by making him directly blood related to Bruce

Series? No. More DCAU films? Maybe.

It was a DCAU finale. It's why the ending mirrors the first episode of BTAS

Yeah, I mean I enjoyed it immensely and grew up on it, DCAU, but I'm open to different versions or different interpretations, so long as they don't stray beyond recognition. And I don't instantly hate something if it doesn't live up to the past. I do see too many fans become walls though. This type of media will always need to evolve or it'll stagnate completely out of relevance. New stories and new villains will rise for hopefully new animated shows to tackle or adapt.

The problem is that aside from a few gems, most of the DC shows and animated movies are based on the New 52 retarded shit and their quality is really low. They aren't doing new things, they're just being bad adaptions of an already bad era of comic books. Fuck, things are so bad on the comic front that not too long ago you had Dan Didio throwing a fit because most readers would rather spend a lot of money on issues and collections that were essentially older arcs repackaged than the current stuff that is still mostly based on the New 52 shit. So no wonder you see people asking about more DCAU stuff.

I hated the fact that they made Bruce into Terry's real father at first too but grew to accept it, which is how I guess kinda mirrors what Terry went through when he found out. Though I doubt the writers were smart enough to be that meta.

Doesn't mean it has be DCAU or related to be good though. I'm not a fan of the DTV connected universe by any means but I do hope in the future an animated connected universe is tried again and has its own flavor to it.

My point is that you can hardly blame people for wanting nostalgia, when what's currently being offered is not good.

Trust me I get nostalgia but I like a newer project here and there and besides it wasn't really what I was super concerned with. It was more people being completely resistant to change in any form where they're just prepared to die on that hill and let everyone know about it. Hell, I wish they did that animated Superman family pitch I saw floating around here last year. That could have been neat and cozy. I think it really comes down to choices being made by the powers that be and allowing for the right tone to be established and having good creative teams for these projects. I mean all you need is one project to spark something. Same like the DCAU.

On one hand it's a little hamfisted with the political commentary but I thought it did a great job of showcasing a group of nobodies. The unexpected Speedy appearance was great. Also I love any time Vigilante got any kind of spotlight.

I thought that episode was okay. The best Superman episode of JL/JLU was Hereafter though. Fuck season 2 of Justice League is so good. Only weak episodes are Hearts and Minds and Eclipsed but everything else is among the best stuff the DCAU ever produced.

But it really didn't. The entire point of the episode is that no matter what he's his own man. He wasn't raised by Batman and it wasn't his DNA that made him a hero. He was forged into who he is by his own experiences and is thus a very different person from Bruce as shown by the fact he wasn't pushing people away and was about to proprose.

The entire argument is basically nature vs. nurture with nurture winning out.

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I would have liked to see more Barbara x Bruce just to trigger the Greysonfags
Also,
>Near apocalypse of 09
Would have liked to see a cataclysmic event culled a bunch of JLU era heroes

The entire Question Authority ark is pure concentrated kino and I will fight anyone who disagrees

>Just to be sure; when you say "third season", which season do you mean? JL had two seasons and JLU had three, but sometimes people interpret them as one series rather than two, or label the season/episode numbers differently.
it's because JLU combined the first two seasons into one for the DVD sets, probably because it worked out better that way since it has the full Cadmus arc in one set

>They definitely could've gotten better use out of the villains as well.
if we're being honest outside of some standouts like Luthor, Brainiac, Darkseid, and Grodd, Justice League and JLU kinda were bad at doing villains particularly well, probably why a lot of people barely realize that Destroyer basically ends with like 80% of the DCAU's villains being dead(which is probably why the Justice League had dwindled down so hard by Batman Beyond's time*, there just wasn't a need for so many heroes anymore)

*honestly as much as I love Batman Beyond as a show, I still feel that making it the canon future of the DCAU was a really bad idea, basically limits things too much

>i wanna see the aftermath of what happened after clayface was set on fireworks by flash, he was sent flying in millions of pieces
honestly that's been my headcanon for a probably return scenario for Annie for years