Anyone else feel like Spawn would have more cultural significance, popularity...

Todd is his own worst enemy though. The HBO show only worked because other writers and animators gave him pushback, cutting out all the needless bullshit that plagues Spawn comics. Hell if you ask me most of Spawn's actual reading material is shit. The majority is just Al whining about WANDA in an alley

>or perhaps acknowledged that he's overly edgy in a tongue in cheek way, then maybe he'd get some new life
That's exactly why I don't like Lobo, and in that respect I'm glad Spawn isn't getting absorbed and upgraded anytime soon. Just because something seems edgy doesn't mean it has to be self aware about it. Edgy is just a concept. You can take edgy away but it doesn't mean real kids aren't getting raped every day.

Making Spawn tongue-in-cheek would make it exhausting. We have a enough of those, like you said.

Spawn was the most popular before Todd McFarlane didn’t retcon spawn lore to make heaven and god evil. Spawn was written the best when it was an accidental borderline edgy Christian comic similar to Doom slayer in the doom reboot. But Todd pulled Alan Moore and got butthurt over religious people liking spawn. P.S speaking of pulling an Alan Moore believe it or not far cry 5 was supposed to be a pro-gun control FPS with anti-prepper themes. All fry cry 5 partisans then backfired.

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The difference is that Lobo was always a parody character whereas Todd sees Spawn as a very straight-faced "dark" character. Though he has allowed people to do goofy takes on Spawn off and on.

>retcon spawn lore to make heaven and god evil.
That shit isn't a retcon, it's in there as soon as angels show up.

>whereas Todd sees Spawn as a very straight-faced "dark" character
Yes, and there's literally nothing wrong with that. Not everything needs to be a parody of itself.

But here's the think, if he was just an asset of DC or Marvel, there's no reason to bring him specifically back compared to their many other, similar characters. DC and Mortal Kombat are owned by the same company, yet SPAWN getting in their is a big deal. If Spawn was in DC, I guarantee you he wouldn't be in MK, because he'd be a small fish in a big pond. Spawn is McFarlane's big fish.

I think Spawn's recent scarcity is part of what makes his appearance in MK so exciting.

Original series issues 1-100(Origins collection 1-17), then stop, that's what most fans say.

Dark Horror also looks pretty cool.

Yeah but Spawn is just an unintentional joke at this point. No gravitas or seriousness anymore, because he's become cliche

If he was a DC or Marvel character he'd be nothing because Spawn only works if he is the center of his whole universe. The entire narrative of McFarlane's Image comics all hinge around Spawn. if he was in a shared universe that no longer works, and he'd just be another edgy vigilante in a setting that has hundreds.

It's like when Angela got taken into Marvel and became a complete schlub, a nothing character beause there's dozens of others like here, whereas in Spawn she had the vital role of being one of Spawn's main enemies/allies. Until she died I mean.

I honestly think we've gotten past that point. A lot of people seem to be pretty capable of taking him seriously now.

Yup, Spawn even reminds me of Danny Phantom in that respect.

accurate. I love spawn but the writing and art has been trash for a long time.

>The entire narrative of McFarlane's Image comics all hinge around Spawn. if he was in a shared universe that no longer works, and he'd just be another edgy vigilante in a setting that has hundreds.
Spawn is partly in his shitty current state because he reads like a OC creation
Since when? When the fuck was the last time his book was worth reading? The only reason its still in print is because Todd personally funds it

In a time where the popular thing is to subvert expectations, and turn cliches on their head, something that is played straight like Spawn can be perceived as a breath of fresh air, just like Joker was perceived.
What I'm saying is, Deathstroke and Deadpool are two seperate entities, and that's not a bad thing. Deathstroke doesn't need to copy Wade and become a self aware parody. Batman doesn't need to become campy again, at least if you look at the general consensus, although there are people who enjoy that aesthetic more, obviously.

Man that was so lame with Angela. I understand and agree with Gaiman's principles on the matter, but like you said he effectively took her out of a universe where she was fairly significant and threw her into one where she was nothing.

>When the fuck was the last time his book was worth reading?
The comics being insiginificant now has nothing to do with public perception of the character.
People are hyped about his Mortal Kombat reveal and a lot of those people probably haven't picked up a Spawn comic in over a decade.

But Deathstroke isn't edgy like Spawn so the comparison doesn't work in this context. I'm not saying make him a wisecracking jackass like Deadpool, or point out how stupid something is every 3rd panel, I'm merely saying embracing the ridiculousness of Spawn's edge would do some good.

and I doubt Neil Gaiman told Todd anything about how she should look so the visual was 100% Todd and then Gaiman gives her to Marvel and Todd hates Marvel

>Spawn is partly in his shitty current state because he reads like a OC creation

What the fuck? Do you have brain damage, user? Of course he's an "OC creation" what kind of fucking complaint is this?

This is true. Yas Forums tends to make the mistake that whatever is the consensus on the board rings true for everyone, when in fact the opinions here are very niche.

>The comics being insiginificant now has nothing to do with public perception of the character.
We're talking about his book, genius. Casuals only still care because he looks cool. I don't give a rats ass about their opinion.
Do you have brain damage? When someone says "OC creation", its usually associated with a poorly thought out character only a 14 year old would think is cool

>Man that was so lame with Angela. I understand and agree with Gaiman's principles on the matter, but like you said he effectively took her out of a universe where she was fairly significant and threw her into one where she was nothing.

Neil actually doesn't give two shits about Angela as a character, he only took her away from Todd because of the Miracleman disaster where Todd pissed off Alan Moore and Gaiman both. It was a pure spite move to give her to Marvel and part of their bargain for the reprint rights to Miracleman.

>We're talking about his book, genius

We're not though. We're talking about his cultural significance and content beyond comics.

Yes, we are. Why the fuck else would the OP bring up other writers tackling Spawn other than McFarlane? You're not telling us anything we don't already know; casuals are stupid, and will put stock in a character based on looks alone. Just look at Ghost Spider

>But Deathstroke isn't edgy like Spawn
Isn't he though? He's pretty edgy still. There's a ton of characters who are edgy as well, like Wolverine and the Punisher. Does that mean they have to be self aware about it?
>I'm merely saying embracing the ridiculousness of Spawn's edge would do some good
I see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't say the edginess hasn't been embraced, at least partially. There's much darker and edgier material out there. Spawn works on the same principle as Ghost Rider. There's an audience who likes that type of character, and an audience who doesn't. But implementing some radical changes at this point doesn't seem necessary to me. If you make Spawn too much tongue & cheek, you will inevitably face some backlash from the people who've grown accustomed to an already established version of him. By far the biggest criticism I've seen in regards to the Spawn comic book was when Jonboy took over the art department, and made the entire thing a lot more lite and cartoony in tone.

The ps2 game was pretty good at the time, better than any of it's caoe game contemporaries aside from Spider-man 2

Angels jump from being cartoony evil to at most were bureaucratic and saw suffering as a necessary evil earlier comics than we later see that contradicted multiple times. Such as a angel refusing to kill a sleeping girl with a cross because she a follower of god. Todd McFarlane writing consistent. God being evil it’s been contradicted multiple times.

He didn't specify comic writers, though, or even comics.

>Isn't he though?
Not really.

Have you seen Knights & Dragons? It's bar none the edgiest cartoon I've seen in recent memory, and Deathstroke lends himself to that territory in an organic way. Forget Deathstroke if you think he's not edgy, look at the other examples I presented.

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Spawn is just American Devilman. Look at how Crybaby revived that character by doing an updated, stylized take on the same storyline. You could easily revitalize Spawn just by retelling the original plot with a better writer than Todd and a distinct artist, like Mignola for example

Spawn was the 2nd best selling comic of 2019, retard

comicsbeat.com/top-selling-comics-of-2019/

If it weren't for Todd, Spawn would be like Angela or Wildcats, just a secondary nobody showing up in minor Marvel (Angela) or DC (Wildcats) comics.

Spawn is only more edgy than characters like Ghost Rider and Wolverine because he's not under any editorial constraint on what he can do. Punisher Max compared to 616 Punisher is a good example of this. On one hand, a good writer like Ennis can use that freedom to make the title go fully mature. On the other hand, a bad writer like McFarlane and his yes men will use it to just be super kewl by having Spawn fight a pedophile or thinly veiled Marilyn manson and show lots of gore.

Erik Larsen also suffers from this, except he just fills his comic with penises and exposed breasts to dodge the fact he's a shit writer.

There's nothing inherently wrong with being edgy. Yas Forums wants everything to be a lighthearted self-aware 60's sitcom. There's an audience for darker stuff.

But Mignola's style is too stylized and tongue in cheek.

>will use it to just be super kewl by having Spawn fight a pedophile
Your post kind of contradicts itself. "Super kewl" would be Spawn fighting a 10ft cyborg with 50 machine guns, which of course he has. Bringing real shit like pedophilia into the story is nothing but a good thing. There's not many comics that do that. It sounds to me like you just want Spawn to be like every other comparatively similar character, like Hellboy. The two are very different and an exchange of style wouldn't work well at all.

>Since when? When the fuck was the last time his book was worth reading? The only reason its still in print is because Todd personally funds it

Yeah, the number 2 best selling comic of 2019 is only in print because of that... Someone tell Marvel and DC their entire lines since they sell even less!

>Casuals only still care because he looks cool.
That is literally every comic character. Spider-mans popularity is 60% just his costume with the district red and blue that captures the attention of small children like none other

>art has been trash for a long time

Phillip Tan, Greg Capullo and Todd are trash, now? You do know who's drawing now, right?

he looks cool as hell in mk11

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Most people here have no idea what's happening IN COMICS, they just project their sperg bias as truth when they in fact are completely uninformed. Look at the number of fags who think Spawn sells badly It has been selling better than Thor, Ironman, Wonder Woman for a long time, just look each month backwards

I didn’t see the cartoon, looked like shit. Deathstroke is pretty standard in comics.
Well executed edge

Are you fags really going to turn this into a religious debate now?
Nothing Todd has done with the story is severely anti-Christian, and it's all done to be metaphorically relevant to it's context.
It's a story that at it's core promotes that you use your own reason, regardless of what you're being told by people who might be molesting children behind the scenes. But it does not promote degeneracy, nor does it inject any forced SJW ideas.
Spawn being black in itself is not done for woke reasons either. Todd wanted to make a character who was distinct and different than the popular characters at the time, both in terms of visuals and his abilities.

Thor and Iron Man’s books have always been mediocre, and Wonder Woman has been in a sorry state for years. Funny how you failed to mention any of the big selling books. Spawn is 2nd best Indie

You the one spamming and crying about Yas Forums every-time someone points out castlevania shit on the game lore aren’t you?

Look at the Punisher's best run, whatever that means to you. That's well executed edge. Mignola's work is camp that plays around with tropes and characters that can be considered edgy but you have a vampire in sesame street as well.
I don't see the point in turning Spawn into something he fundamentally isn't, especially if you're not that interested in the character in the first place.
Let the property have it's 3 fans, or what have you, and go read other shit.

No. That's one of the most important aspect of the character.

>Writers being made fun or flawed being discussed
>cries Yas Forums and now crying Yas Forums
People told me the Yas Forumsumblr meme isn’t real?

How about Yas Forums go fuck themeselves?

Yas Forumsmblr is very real but it has nothing to do with religion. Everything else in this thread proves the Yas Forums hivemind much better. Gwenpool city.

Great toys though

I’m not allowed to talk shit on Todd?