Boy they really shit on Rorschach too much at the end of Watchmen

Choose now:

Peace through lies

or

Truth that brings chaos.

>The only one with principles is an alt-righter
Follow that line of logic user.
You won't like where it leads but follow it all the way to the end and really ask yourself if you want to go there.

Chaos is always more entertaining.

Peace through lies ends in chaos.

The chaos caused by truth will at least end sooner.

I'm gonna have to go with option 2, chief.

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>The only one with principles
Imagine being this retarded and illiterate. Then again, you'd have to be genuine brainlet to think that everything that doesn't match the shit you parrot aren't values.

I never saw this as shitting on him. He simultaneously shows his convictions are real to the very end, while showing he still has some humanity in him, expression emotion towards the inevitability that is about to occur.

It's so funny when kids act like pg-13 shit like 40k is deep.

>Dan didn't give a shit
he didn't fucking know lol how was he supposed to give a shit

very good post. thank you for your service

I like how the fact he was wearing the mask makes it unclear if he starting crying right just then out of sheer frustation and fear, or if the waterworks had already started unseen with the revelation of the death toll.

>or if the waterworks had already started unseen with the revelation of the death toll.
I figured it was this. Though monotone and cold, Rorschach still really does care about people. 3 million people from his home city are dead, and there is no chance for justice.
He's in shock just like Laurie and Dan.

Ligma

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Who said anything 40k being deep? I just mentioned the character because he gets memed about over exactly on of those premises.

Dan only was in because of the possibility of the "mask killer" damaging him or Juspeczyk. After he got what he wanted he ditched Rorschach and moved on. That's the saddest part.

What, who even mentioned that?

>Who said anything 40k being deep? I just mentioned the character because he gets memed about over exactly on of those premises.
Rorschach go to the word of one piece.

>Imagine being this retarded and illiterate.
Oh shit son, that's a fantastic argument. Boy do I feel like a fool now.
Sorry, let me just cough up all that fucking straw you crammed down my throat.

Principles based morality is a legitimate values system retard and it can be incredibly black and while while also still being entirely internally consistent.
As for this shit
>Then again, you'd have to be genuine brainlet to think that everything that doesn't match the shit you parrot aren't values.

Man that's some wild IMAX level projection you've got there.

I mean, unless you're going to argue one of the other characters had principles?
Comedian for example? Who was an unrepentant Nihilist who in the end realized that his Nihilism was full of shit and tried to take action to save human life.
Manhattan? Who is entirely lacking in values due to being a force of nature by the end of it.
Nite Owl? Maybe, I could see an argument there.
Ozymandias you could argue is working off Utilitarianism but given it's entirely about his ego and there's no evidence of his plan panning out in any shape or form I can't really see an argument for that outside of 'He thot it wur smat 2 du for da peeble' followed by dribbling down yourself.

Go on you dildo cowboy, rodeo your way over to the podium on your favorite prosthetic BBC and make an actual case instead of throwing insults because guess what faggot, when it comes to that you're just getting in the pen with the pigs.
And this pigs got a fucking erection over it.

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Yeah, he died trying to do what was morally sound for him even if it went against the interests of everyone else.

It's a sad reality that the vast majority of heroes were just in for the thrill. Ozzy and Rorscharch were the only ones with deep convictions, and maybe, only maybe, Hooded Justice as well.

That fucking pic seems straight from Life is Strange.

>After he got what he wanted he ditched Rorschach and moved on. That's the saddest part.
Again, I wouldn't say this is exactly true. Dan comes to understand throughout the story that Rorschach is genuinely trying to be his friend, and Dan reciprocates.
Dan is certainly put off by Rorschach, yes. Anybody would be. But saying he used and ditched him is definitely going too far.

They all had principles, Satan. Rorschachs were just braindead retarded because he was a manchild who never got over that his mom thotted for money.

I don't to over simplify the dude though. Like, I don't get why people are so butthurt he died, anyway. He did literally accomplish his goal of getting the truth out there, that's the whole point of showing the notebook in the pile of stories at the end. If anything, him living would ruin its chances of being believed, could be a hoax-- but if he's straight up gone, people might put together that Adrian had something to do with his disappearance.

I obviously don't agree with everything the character stands for, but I completely agree that everyone deserves to know the truth even if it shatters the peace. That's real journalist values and I respect and try to uphold them myself. Also brutally murdering child molesters. Agree with that 1000%.

But in many other ways he was a crazy asshole too shackled by his fucked up past to fully actualize into a more beneficial vigilante. He's very hypocritical and compromises on his values at several points in the story before then, but he's too blinded by the factors that made him and his own biases and ideology to see that he is. He's a grey character-- they all are. It's a story about moral complexities and shit like that.

At the end of the day, just because you stake your beliefs in stone and stick to them, it doesn't make you any more righteous or deserving of life than a completely amoral nihilist who would kill his own unborn child's mother because it inconveniences him and laugh about it. Everyone tends to think their beliefs and morals are just, but there's no ultimate arbiter for that, and most people die frustrated and sad. Cest la vie. Take what you can from them and move on.

>He did literally accomplish his goal of getting the truth out there

No he didn't. He just made a nazi redneck group.

Who do you think kept Rorschach fed when he was hungry?

That was the point of the story you dumb motherfucker, he follows his moral code to the end even as the world falls apart around him. He can't exist in a morally grey world. He's the ultimate Ditko character, he gives everything to his cause. Think about how Spider-Man always suffers in his personal life because he has a responsibility as a hero, then turn that up to 11 and you have Rorschach, whose personal life is as awful as you could possibly imagine.

Even though I didn't like Rorschach's death I guess it was the only way it could've gone, he wasn't going to be persuaded by Dan and he didn't have anything to move on.
Dan had Laurie
Manhattan had the universe
Ozymandias had projects for the progress of humanity.
Guess it was only a matter of time for Rorschach.

Yeah I think I overstated that, I would rephrase it as "Dan felt sympathy for Rorschach but he had more important things going on"

>69
Nice

Anyway, Moore wasn't on it so the show can fuck all the way off. If it was an actual sequel it would have been a comic. As far as I'm concerned it's high budget fan fiction.

Why does it fit so well?

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Fuck son, that last sentence fucking killed me
Teach me how to insult people that way

Variety makes insults interesting user.
You don't remember the time you got called a faggot.

You're sure as hell going to remember the time some guy called you Fagllen of Troy, the face that sucked a thousand dicks.

All it takes is putting some effort into it. Extended metaphors are a great route to take, because you can build this beautiful picture in the other persons head and let them fill in the tiny details themselves.
What you imagine when you imagine a dildo cowboy rodeo is going to be completely different to what I imagine and both will be catered to that which amuses us the most.

Just don't be boring, pic related, Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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>Hey John just made Rorchach explode into giblets

> Wanna fuck?

>Uh..ok!

Well thanks alot user
Did not expect to browse Yas Forums today and learn how to become better at insulting, but that is one of the charms why I come to this site everyday

>double trips
checked

I liked Rorschach, he was my favourite character.

I dunno, maybe at the moment. But being a superhero was clearly important to Dan, and he definitely felt guilt for abandoning Rorschach as a partner back in '78.
I think they were definitely friends, in a way. I think that's pretty clearly shown through more than a few pages, pic related being the most obvious one that comes to mind.

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i thought the whole point was mr. moore going 'oh you like batman, huh? well if he was real he'd be an objectivist psycho'
it was a cool idea for the time, and good within that context.

Rorschach actually apologizing must have been a real shock to the system.

he's based more on the question, wasn't he?

Peace through lies is marred by the lie though. It's a fragile peace entirely dependent on the lie never being figured out.

Truth and chaos, every fucking time. I'm happy that still seems to be the majority opinion.

He is, people have mistaken Moore's later comparisons with more characters more familiar to the public like Batman and Superman to suggest he developed Rorschach and Doctor Manhattan as parallels, when anyone who has read the original notes of his plans knows they stem more from The Question, Mr.A and Steve Ditko's general ideas of an Objectivist vigilante and Captain Atom with heavier emphasis on surreal existentialism.

Veidt and Dan are closer to Batman than Walter, and even then not by much.

Moore's comment also wasn't that Rorschach is "real" Batman but that in a setting closer to our real world most relentless street vigilantes wouldn't be handsome and personable figures but instead would have already or gradually begin to physically and psychologically degrade from their lifestyle and efforts.

>incel
Do we know if he is in the celibate and if so, is it against his will?
>alt-right
you mean extreme right? Since he doesn't make any funny memes that make trannies off themselves, nor does he protest against the newest hollyweird garbage.
You make assumptions, and those are the mother of all fuck-ups

Why would Manhattan even give a shit at that point? He makes broad assumptions about the nature of reality and free will being an illusion, then continues to act as if choices have meaningful consequences and interferes in the lives of mortals.

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>Why would Manhattan even give a shit at that point?
Laurie.
The reason he left, the reason he returned.

So he killed Rorschach not because of the greater good but because he loved Laurie? How does that make sense? What a lame brain motivation for an apparently omniscient being.

>How does that make sense?
She's the one who convinced him on Mars that the remote chance of continued human life and happiness outweighs any apparent hard truth.

I mean, the human race which he had come to care about as miraculous beings, would be thrown into chaos and likely result in many more casualties than 3 million.

He wasn't convinced of. He always knew he would leave Earth only to be convinced to go back. The only thik he had trouble visualizing was the great splatooning itself.

He never stopped being a puppet of fate.

Token effort to help Veidt's scheme since everyone else agrees revealing the truth would make everything in vain before pushing off.
Or he just saw himself killing Rorschach much like he saw himself meeting Laurie.

CHAOS. A world of STRENGTH is what humanity needs.

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I'm not sure he really sees it as helping, just that because it's already happened he doesn't don't have much of a choice but to go along with it unless he wants WWIII.

It would probably have been too cathartic and gone against what Moore was trying to say, but I do kinda feel like Manhattan would have offed Veidt as well. If Rorschach's a danger to the future peace then Adrian's already proved he's potentially an even bigger one.