>it's been long assumed that religion did not exist in the show before Patricia's appearance >Matt Burnett has also claimed that Christianity does not exist in the show's world (he has deleted all his SU tweets years ago however) >Islam itself has built off of Christianity with its various mentions of Jesus and other biblical figures, showing that various biblical elements were essential in Islam's existence to begin with >and as for the elephant in the room, Islam forbids homosexuality, so what place would such a religion have in a world now inhabited by space lesbians?
We all know that the Crewniverse made a Muslim character simply for diversity points, and while that's a different discussion by itself, I just want to discuss how this effects the actual worldbuilding of the show.
Was she thrown in thoughtlessly and ended up breaking the worldbuilding as a result, or was there some degree of thought here before her inclusion?
It's a background character for inclusion points, that's it. Islam in the context of progressive values is seen as a race and not a religion.
Aaron Davis
Nothing about the worldbuilding makes a modicum of sense if you take any of their statements about how their universe works at face value.
Dominic Clark
American comics and cartoons have a huge fetish for hijabs, so they're gonna get shoved in as many places as possible
Nathaniel Evans
Hijabs predate Islam and is ultimately cultural. They were desert nomads, user, they wore that to protect them from the desert.
Logan Perry
Literally wearing a fucking scarf around your head was around before islam. Obviously from a meta perspective it's muslim representation but in universe it's probably just a fashion thing.
Hudson Sullivan
well i didn't see a fucking desert
Isaac Watson
That woman is autistic and acutely sensitive to light so she wore a scarf around her head.
Brandon Watson
Why would you need to see a fucking desert when I'm explaining norms established by her ancestors you retard?
Ethan Sanders
Then how come your vagina is so full of sand?
Blake Williams
You for real? One of the earliest SU episodes (where Steven meets Lion) is set in a desert. Anyway this is retarded Yas Forums bait because they're clearly not labelled as Muslim and are just wearing a hijab which has nothing to do with the faith aspect.
Christopher Hughes
The hajib is cultural. It's still mainly used as a tool to control women though because it's design can be tra ed back to ancient Greece and there are better desert hats than a tight fitting headscarf.
So arabs just oppress women on a secular cultural basis instead of religion
Gabriel Baker
Let's be honest here, most regards that like the hijab and advocate it think it's irreligious and that preventing it is an "attack on islam" despite the fact that nothing in the Qur'an mentions hijabs.
And the same people ignore the fact that it does in fact say men should cover up their arms and whatnot.
Nolan Brown
Yeah like how we oppress women by forcing them to wear shirts. Why do we literally criminalize topless women? It's oppression pure and simple.
>nothing in the Qur'an mentions hijabs. If I could nitpick, there is a verse that says women should dress modestly, and it uses "a scarf covering the head and breasts" as an example of modest clothing, but many people interpret that as meaning "Whatever clothes is considered modest, women should wear that" rather than specifically enforcing a scarf covering the head and bosom.
Aaron Bennett
Tops are simply practical; forcing women to cover their hair because you consider it vanity or lustful is retarded.
Jack Davis
I have a friend that looks like this, but white.
Kayden Phillips
Oh man an online dictionary that says "some" Muslim women. You're practically a culture expert lmao retard.
Kayden Foster
That statement is false. Islam demands women to be modest and chaste. Hijab are cultural tools used for this purpose.
Jayden Wilson
Without Christianity Islam cannot exist.
Without Christianity to oppose it, Islam wouldn't have half of its modern precepts.
Without Christians to enslave we wouldn't have belts and Hitler wouldn't have stolen the idea of marking the Jews, although this universe didn't experience ww2 so the later might have been omitted but belts are a thing in this show.
How on earth do you have belts without the Muslim slave trade, or the Christians that were branded by it as inferior humans by the Muslims slave traders, what's next castrating Africans wasn't a thing, is this even appropriate Muslim representation without castrated black slaves for the glory of their Muslim overlords?
Luke Smith
Why is her hijab PINK
Jonathan Bailey
>Tops are simply practical So is a nice head dress, just wrap it around your head and you don't have to fret so much about styling your hair, it matches a lot of outfits, etc. Shirts should absolutely be optional, there is no justification for literally fining or jailing women for taking them off. How is that not oppression? What is even your argument, it's practical so we have to force women into shirts against their will?
A lot of women are physically attacked for not wearing hijab. The problem isn't the choice but that it's forced him them in many cases.
Elijah Russell
Why the fuck not.
Charles Baker
The niqab is a pretty shit desert headdress though which is my point.
Jace Powell
>>it's been long assumed that religion did not exist in the show before Patricia's appearance >>Matt Burnett has also claimed that Christianity does not exist in the show's world (he has deleted all his SU tweets years ago however) So we have no source for this beyond statements made by a writer who was infamous for posting misleading and joking answers to questions about the show on twitter.
Jaxon Baker
We...
Are
CHRISTIANS
Nicholas Hall
>A lot of women are physically attacked for not wearing hijab. And a lot of women are physically attacked for not wearing a shirt. Even when a woman simply tries to feed her child, she has to construct an entire obscuring device just to avoid harassment - and even that is sometimes not enough. Simply for breastfeeding, something that is LITERALLY natural.
Liam Foster
Who the fuck was talking about the niqab, we were talking about hijabs. Niqab is the ninja outfit most commonly associated with Saudi Arabian wahhabist schools of thoughts, hijabs are just a headdress.
Carter Stewart
They needed something to hold up their pants.
Michael Turner
Reminds me of Indians wanting to rape the actress because they didn't wear a hijab in that one zombie movie.
It wasn't the plot of the movie it was the extras that wanted to rape the actress because she got them horny. They even said it would only take an hour if each one had a turn.
Oh diversity, where would we be without you.
Isaiah Ortiz
>>Matt Burnett has also claimed that Christianity does not exist in the show's world (he has deleted all his SU tweets years ago however) If only one guy said this and then that guy deleted all evidence of his involvment, I don't think it's canon.
John King
>physically attacked for breastfeeding >things that never happen obviously it's totally different circumstances people being uncomfortable having to look at strangers boobies especially if you have kids around and women under threat of violence for not wearing their oppressive headscarves
Adam Diaz
I mistyped. But both are shit tier.
William King
Thats the thing, they had other utensils for that.
Belts became popular because of Christian slaves that rebelled and escaped but kept the belts out of convenience.
The story of the belt entering European culture is one of horrible Muslim slavery into a triumph making the once tool that branded them as dogs into one of civilization.
Lucas Foster
There is a bit if a difference between secondary sex characteristics like breasts and hair user.
Ryder Nguyen
oh yes, please educate me about the numerous nonexistent subgroups of women who always wear a hijab wherever they go
she's a muslim you absolute retards. she doesn't need to wear a t-shirt reading "i'm a muslim look at me look at me" to spell it out for you. there's absolutely no fucking reason to why her design would include such a specific detail otherwise
What? There are absolutely women who wear hijabs but aren't muslim you fucking dumbass.
Eli Wood
Christianity never being a thing would so radically alter history that Steven's world should be unrecognizable to any viewer.
Andrew Stewart
Cults don't normally last over a thousand years, smart ass.
Jayden Fisher
>the Gems sentenced Jesus Christ to be crucified
Ryder Scott
Literally all religions are cults. I say this not to defame religions OR cults.
David Evans
Cults revolve around a singular still-living leader. Islam stopped being a cult after Muhammad died.
Brandon Lee
And Muslims basically revitalized the black slave trade by buying it from African tribes that enslaved and sold other Africans to them. A lot of horrible fucking shit can be traced to Muslims making it a thing in their beliefs, not even the Jews are this overt on owning slaves and at that point in time they were powerless while the Muslims feed almost all the slave trade even exporting it to India, oh boy don't make me start with what the Muslims did to Indians and their temples. Not exactly for the common folk, if anything the viking and working belt where seen as a luxury, it was until those that suffered Muslim slavery integrated back into the civilized world that the belt was added to common folk.
Nolan Jackson
in SU's setting, is islam correct about women?
Andrew Rodriguez
That's a shitty modern definition. Cults are cults and many prominent religions started from cults or purposefully housed cults where they acted in a similar fashion to religious denominations do now. Cults are just religion with accountability. Which is why they're stigmatized and attacked by the state unless they produce enough money to bargain for their existence.
Jack Brown
>not exactly.
The belt was commonplace in northern Europe throughout history.
Its popularity coincided with tunics and pants.
You're talking shit. The belt was even introduced to arabs by the celts.
Carter Perez
this practice is so unpopular that there is no defined subgroup of people that actually do this shit, and the few that do are simply mimicking islam, which would require ISLAM EXISTING to begin with
shove a brick up your ass you mental gymnast
Austin Hill
If you trace its use throughout history, Hijabs are actually Arab culture, not Muslim garb. The fact that most modern Muslims think that Hijabs are Muslim garb is just a long game of telephone, while in fact there is nothing in the Qur'an that says it's mandatory.
>tl;dr: y'all bitten the long-term bait
Josiah Barnes
Hijabs exist for one thing only: subjugating women. Hence why men don't wear them.
Grayson Roberts
men don't got fashion
Wyatt Garcia
Regressive wh*Teoid religions like Christianity that were used to impose slavery and apartheid on PoC don't exist; progresive multicultural religions like Judaism and Islam do.
Tyler Gutierrez
You seem to be mixing your centuries man.
Belts for the common folk as leather based tools were actually a lost technology before resurging in the west and becoming commonplace.
Ian Gomez
Ok boomer
Brody Morris
>Literally all religions are cults. they may have started as cults, but are too decentrelized now to be a cult. Remember, cults want you to cut yourself off completely from the world and rely on a central figure. most modern religons have members that still interact and rely on non-members of their religion.
Anthony Cooper
Could just be a fashion choice maybe
Grayson Thompson
>SJWs >hates christianity because is homophobic >supports islam I really, really dont understand
>nothing that says it's mandatory t. theologlette Covering a female's hair has been religious mandate since late Mesopotamia and was championed by the same "tribes" that eventually formed Islam through a long game of telephone.
>most a) untrue most religions reccomend not interacting with people outside the faith in their actual dogma b) plenty of religions are centralised. In fact, to define a religion separate from a spiritual belief requires a dogma and arbitrator i.e central figure(s). e.g pope/Queen/ect. ect. ect. ect. You're a fucking idiot.
Eli Sullivan
SU world has not sense. There is a government? And where they are during alien invasion?
Robert Ortiz
Both literally have an endgame where.
A) Jews live forever with a thousand slaves each.
B) The world is nothing but Islam with subhuman animals as their slaves given that non followers of Allah are Animals that should be commanded such as jews and Christians.
What part is progressive, slavery as we know it was popularized and founded by Muslims before Jewish owners of boat firms imported African slaves to the colonies.
Lincoln Brooks
When exactly are they supposed to he lost technology?
The history of the fucking saxons details belts were used.
Belts were literally never not used in northern Europe because it's such a handy tool.
>catholics You're extremely backwards. Catholics are the posterchild of YOUR position with their deep need to integrate across all boundaries and evangelise. >non-catholic christianity >judaism >islam >hindusim All of these have direct and clear instructions in their religious dogma around how to deal with outsiders and all of them are even more particular about who and how to marry/partner. I expect you to kill yourself because you know nothing about religion despite shit posting as if you do.
Juan Carter
See you are mixing it.
Saxon history with belts starts at the 600, it is intermittent in Europe thorough the centuries until 1400-1600 were it became common place and basically continued from that point onwards.
The discovery of an item doesn't exactly means it was used across the ages from that point, just look at cranes through history for a better example.
Luke Hughes
Are you incapable of stabbing a Kafir with a knife, throwing him off a building, or running him over with a car? Liberate yourself from hellfire by killing a kafir... So show resolve and place your trust in Allah and He will pave the way for you.
Catholics as a frame of Christianity firmly believe everyone belongs to God, if anything it's the one that is completely against Jewish view on purity.