Venture Bros

he may have been secretly angsty but he was also one of the most competent players for most of the show

I really don't think the characters or the themes of the show would be helped by any kind of Infinity Gauntlet keikaku bullshit you're hinting at. It's really really contrary to basically the entire thing.

If Sovereign were to somehow come back it would only be for him to get hit by a truck seconds later. That's the kind of show this is.

Make way for the HOMO SUPERIOR!

Because he's being backed by literal demons who ensured he got as far as he did. The minute he tries to renege on his contract with them his plans fall apart, he loses everything, and then he dies.

I personally don't give a shit what exactly happens in the plot, all I wish is for the writing to be good.

This, if it's some infinity gauntlet shit the joke is that it's completely undercut by the fact all parties involved are absolute fuck ups.
Like 20 years to Midnight is supposed to be a story about saving the world from a Watcher/Galactus parody, but the whole show is the Venture gang scrambling to assemble a macguffin they don't understand while the villain you don't even know is the villain impotently follows them around yelling to be ignored, and is finally shot in the face by another alien.
Like if we got an episode where the ORB is activated I'd love if it's another mad dash to the ORB episode, then they begin to activate it and somehow it falls out of view from everyone, it activates offscreen, and then the end of the episode is everyone asking what it did.

Honestly I’d be most hype if Jonas venture sr. was revived (ideally through a deal made with the Investors)...there’s just so much left he has to answer for

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Trump has the Orb
google it

This, the showrunners got tired of fans parroting this statement to them so they decided to make the show move forward

I believe we’ve seen the end of jonas entirely. Prick was in a living hell for years and then finally unplugged.

this.I think his last appearance was open ended enough for a return but I think the idea he ruined countless lives and got off scot-free is more fitting for the show's world

I know, but just...let me dream

To be honest, not very interested. The show seems to have run out of places to go, while ignoring the obvious revelations that would bring closure to the series which they're apparently not willing to do. It has become so self-referential that it is locking out everyone but the most devoted fans. It has a rhythm that it isn't brave enough to escape.
The only thing that might pique my interest if they started going on exotic adventures again. Meet new people, beat up new henchmen. If you're not willing to resolve things, at least give us something fun.

bigger moment: doc and jackson say they are going to do finale season and a 90 minute direct to dvd movie and end the fucking series so they can work on something new

I was more surprised that jonas didn't turn out to be the Secret President

If the Sovereign was brought back, he'd need to ditch the Bowie persona entirely, which was the best part about him.

So I've got to go with ORB.

How about this for a reveal? Ben and Red Helper are the same person, maybe a relative of the one who came out of the portal, or the Sovereign’s relative, caring for him. There was never a Ben since Dean never confirmed it anyway, and all anything that happens in that house involves lore drops. Dean will go back and find someone like Triana in there, and at first he’ll freak out ask where she’s been, and she’s suddenly forgiven him and wants to kiss him and be a warning for some cosmic threat. Dean calls Orpheus, but Triana, the real Triana picks up. She’s mad her father whom she still loves was so abandoned by the Ventures and doesn’t want to hear Dean’s excuses, which are more confused sputters because now he has no idea what’s going on. She hangs up, and ‘Triana’ sighs.
“I should have just stuck with one persona. My brothers are better at this...”
‘She’ transforms into Michael Jackson. “I suppose some deeper context is necessary.”

Is that David Bowie?

>work on something new
I'd be surprised if Doc even survives past the series finale, whenever that is

Orb was disappointing, it really should have done something

I want them to make the animation studio behind the boy adventurer cartoons into an actual entity. Considering that one of the main concepts is that boy adventuring isn't as great as it seems, they could do a lot with what is essentially an info hub for characters like Rusty and Action Johnny, and even major groups like the original Team Venture.

OSI definitely has plans in store for his brain, we just don't know how they'll use it. The easy choice is that they just shove it in a robot and call it a day, but I think they'll do something more unexpected.

Pretty sure the Investors just gave him the shapeshifting.

>Rusty is tasked with fixing the orb
>he somehow does it by pure accident
>someone tries activating it
>it's just a music box

Wide Wale was pretty cool I don't how much hate he gets

They even did arcs around it. Season 6 was about Rusty and Monarch trying to take the easy way out and Season 7 was them finally figuring out they have to go get their shit together. Rusty finally invents something useful because he stops trying to leech off his dad and live in his shadow (Which is so successful the OSI shuts him down) and the Monarch chooses to increase his arching rank the right way after getting lucky the guild didn't execute him to the point he does reach EMA Level 10.
He was already a shapeshifter in the 60's, he already had powers but he was a low level guild member and more a common crook than a supervillain. The investors gave him the power to take over the guild, take it underground again (So the public and low level OSI believed it was only something from a boy adventurer cartoon) and front it as both a crime syndicate and place supervillains could go to formalise their supervillain work. The Monarch had to actually go find it and spend time slumming it as a Hench to Phantom Limb, it was so secret.

I always hoped it would be a key of some kind and everyone who added a new layer helped conceal the key.
What the key is for is where I think they could have the most fun with it, it cant just be a weapon the Guild had tons of deadly weapon I think the only real thing I could be is some sort of ancient secret or just a place that things can be put into but cannot be brought out of without the key that way we could reasonably explain why so many factions were interested in it when they realistically do not have much in common in terms of goals

But it WAS. They have moved on (which is good) but the show used to revolve around failure which is why the ORB did jack shit, for example.
It's important to remember the past. Of course, people should know by now that the show is no longer about failure. But you shouldn't forget that it used to be.

But even then idiotsvnever really reqr the full quote and read failure aeveome weird stop to any progress or development. Also I'm sure the second ORB episode is ling after they said they regretted their failure line.

Them going back on Sovereign being David Bowie was lame.

apparently using a real person as a recurring character didn't sit well with cartoon network's legal team

they probably did it out of respect for bowie as well, there were already rumors he wasn't doing too well around that time

They tried to get Bowie to actually voice him on a special around Season 3-4. The only response they got back from Bowie's people was that David thought it was funny and that was it, they got stonewalled when they tried to get further so they dropped it. Then as you said CN's legal team advised them not to be using real people and they closed the arcs on a lot of characters based on people like Sovereign and Killinger.

Killinger's arc isnt closed though

The Return of Ignore Me

This. I’ve always been invested in the characters moreso than lore building.
>this meme again

24 coming back.

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Hank sends Dean pictures of Hank fucking Triana, completing the cycle of cucking

Triana doesn't actually come back because Doc is still mad at his ex

>NOOO NOT THE FUTURE DOGGOS

Holy fuck give it a rest, it was literally foretold by the Guardian that Jack would go back to the past and the future that is Aku would cease to exist.

>Sovereign IS dead
>but David Bowie comes back IRL

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Honestly, neither. Revisiting old plot points and retconning things is a writing weakness, and I don't see how either ORB or Sovereign returning could be compelling.

I support this fully, none of this "we don't know if we're getting another season, let's write an ending oh wait we got renewed we have to keep going"

Thanks user, came for this

>I support this fully, none of this "we don't know if we're getting another season, let's write an ending oh wait we got renewed we have to keep going"
They haven't had to worry about that for a long time. Season 1 and 2 was probably the closest they came to actual cancellation. But season 3 they got renewed mid-season. Season 5 was up in the air because World Leaders was going out of business as they finished up S4 so that was renewed post season. Williams Street were able to bring most of the crew over to Titmouse and continue it and they were renewed for 6 and 7 at the same time halfway through 5. Doc and Jackson always were saying it in the past because they were genuinely unsure. But now, they likely get to end it when they feel like ending it. Wouldn't be surprised if they did end in Season 9 in 2023 (20 years from the original airdate of the first season).

>24 comes back
>can't relate to 21 in his current state and has a falling out with him
>ends up getting competent himself and henching for a different villain who's enemies with the Monarch

how pissed would 21 be if he were to find out 24 faked his death to start a new life?

but to be honest I do prefer 24 actually being dead. I think it would be kind of stupid to retcon his death at this point

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If its one thing Venture bros won't shy away from, its retconning if the writers feels that it makes for a more interesting story

Sovereign being alive. If he does come back, my money's on him being Christopher Lambert.

did phantom limb ever get his wee wee back?

Actually I'd rather see the opposite:

Sovereign died but escapes hell having become even more all powerful (and as a gimmick, keeps shifting between various incarnations of David Bowie but done up inn satanic fashion to skirt legal issues).

He basically massacres the Guild/Council of 13 and only a handful survive (Dr Girlfriend, Monarch, 21) and run to the Venture compound for sanctuary and to warn them that Sovereign's coming for them next. Sovereign shows up, repeats massacre and killing off secondary characters (Orpheus, Triana, the rest of the triad and OG Team Venture, maybe even Billy and Pete) and force the Ventures and Monarch clique on the road as the Satanic Powered Sovereign and the new Guild declare war on Earth and try and conquer it and have to find a way to stop him.

Because the show has never done a proper "epic" storyline and it would be the perfect way to end the series: Rusty dies saving the planet and the Venture boys finally get to move on with their lives without their father looming over them, and Monarch gets closure on his hate for Rusty and moves on with his life, as far as starting a family with Dr Girlfriend.

i'm very glad you don't write for this show.

I’ve been seeing that written a lot on here, like it’s a fucking meme. Who are you, you’re the same person saying that over and over again, right? You do this weird shit with me and this guy and others. Just say cringe like the rest of us, you weirdo. What do you work for the show or something?

Maybe you should just stop having shit ideas for the show and you wouldn't hear it so much.

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the worst theories tend to be fan theories.

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He never lost it. The gag with Al at the end of season 2 was a fisting joke.

what did Al pick up that he squeezed and then slipped it into the sleeve of his robe?

Phantom Limb's arm.

this is even worse than Hank and Dean arching each other.

my mind was in the gutter it seems.

Fuck Sovereign. I want to know more about Force Majeure.

Failure is only one of the show's themes.

I don't blame you, I thought the same for the longest time.

I thought Venture Bros. deliberately denies the audience that kind of cool stuff. It's all homos making references to old shit instead.