EVERY SINGLE Harley Quinn design ever created was meant as fapbait. No exceptions (yes, even the original BTAS one, it was made by Timm of all people).
How exactly did a character who was always only visually designed to be fanservice and eye candy suddenly became a symbol of female empowerment? How exactly did capitalism twist the narrative to make Harley profit off of both dumb coomers and dumb SJWs?
EVERY SINGLE Harley Quinn design ever created was meant as fapbait. No exceptions (yes, even the original BTAS one...
Lucas Barnes
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Aaron Reyes
Women are fapbait.
Jace Kelly
Because Jared Leto harassed Margot Robbie onset incessantly, so they gave her a film about empowerment to keep her from suing the studio, and to save the studio face. Leto really was a jerk to all involved in Suicide Squad.
Matthew Reed
>How exactly did a character who was always only visually designed to be fanservice and eye candy suddenly became a symbol of female empowerment?
Because Harley is a walking contradiction, and the definition of having your cake and eating it too. Like The Joker, she’s the perfect self insert for women because she can basically do anything without consequence. The abuse angle and liberation from Joker is merely an illusion of character depth
Adam Johnson
these theories are getting more and more retarded each day
Jaxon Sullivan
>How exactly did a character who was always only visually designed to be fanservice and eye candy suddenly became a symbol of female empowerment?
Harley was a pretty early if not the first clearly abused and traumatized woman in a relationship in a kids cartoon. I can't really recall another example with strong signs of physical abuse, yelling, gas lighting and stockholm syndrome. The original BTAS episodes can be hard to watch if you know what you're looking at.
So first off, women like this character as a realistic representation of spousal abuse.
I guess women find her being empowering and leaving to be uplifting and pro women?
Though admittedly, its arguable if the harleys that leavey Joker are the same as the abused Harley in BTAS.
Like the Harley in the new HQ show. She was always a horrible person. She was not manipulated into doing horrible things. She was just horrible. So her leaving joker isn't really an uplifting pro woman story.
Hudson Gutierrez
Where is Hyena Harley? You say no exceptions and don't add the best one.
Owen Diaz
Because it doesn't take much. There's not some secret. She's a sexy woman that does what she wants.
Every new iteration of her makes her less of a loser and the overall effect is a character clawing her way to the top.
Jose Powell
BTAS Harley > Pencil Skirt shrink Harley > everything else
Josiah Price
that face is fucking nightmare fuel
Luis Sanders
Harleen and Harley Loves Joker were the only good Harley books this decade
Thomas Diaz
They appealed to everyone at once that's how. Being 'empowered' enough to break from the joker sucks in the sjws and whiteknights. Her trashy design appeals to hetro and gay horndogs. Being portrayed as a wacky 'hero' has morons pushing her as a role model and appeals to deadpool fans. She's become a Frankenstein creature of marketing that barely resembles who she once was and more popular for it.
Nolan Hill
The one aimed at young adults was good even if the villian reveal was predictable as hell.
Lincoln Powell
What can I say? Bethesda is shit.
You should see it move when she's talking
Jacob Robinson
I mean, the first Harley Quinn design was created to just be a henchman that pops out of a cake, so it had to be a woman. She was designed more for ease of animation than for fapbait. She had the same body porportions as every other female on that show after all.
Angel Baker
They made Joker a Chad in that story. It was weird.
Liam Campbell
Good taste, user.
Jacob Ramirez
Because she had personality unlike a lot of fem comic charaters. Shes just Joker lite and a splash of cute mostly but still. She was kooky and most women are pretty fucking kooky so they gravitated to her immediately. And women, well, they're obsessed with reform, so the character becomes duller and duller as the years go by and all the "toxic" elements that made her interesting need to be excised. She'll become a full blown girl scoutish lesbo hero by the end of it.
Ayden Brown
Would the Harley Quinn movie have been more successful if she kept the slut look? I feel like women really sat out the movie more than the studio were expecting and honestly I don't think women at large wanted an empowerment movie. I think they would have ate up a trashy romance movie though. Hell, look at that Shades of Grey garbage. They slobber over it. They love their guilty pleasures. Her in slut garb and SS Joker being modern day Bonnie and Clyde, they would have eaten up. Probably could have happened too if that Leto bridge wasn't burned. It's not like the Joker movie is even in continuity. They could have had 2 Jokers running around.
Oliver Morris
Women are not creative, plain and simple. They don't have the brains for it. They can only imitate and mimic what is given to them.
When women want power, and for women to be more powerful overall, what do they want to do with that power? Break the old standards? Redefine the importance of physical beauty? Re-brand femininity to be about women valuing themselves instead of only feeling valued if they give guys boners? Tear down the schemes designed to imprison women in commercial cages, bound to the rituals and sales of cosmetics and fashion? Build women up to be something more than simply "like children but can make babies and give coom"
Fuck no, they want to be the prettiest and have the most guys get boners for them. How do women define "power"? Being SUPER pretty, effortlessly, all the time, and having ALL the guys want to fuck them.
You could tell the smartest woman in the world:
>"You want this ball, you're the only woman who doesn't have a ball like this, how weird would you be if you didn't have this ball, to be the only odd one out?"
then throw the ball in the river, and watch her immediately dive after it instead of just replying with "who cares what you think".
Daniel Cooper
Because women are really really really really really really really really really really dumb
Dozens of strong women heroes/characters/symbols were created for them throughout the decades, but the first one they latch onto is a dumb crazy dependent domestically abused bimbo, but don't point that out to their face because it'll make them real mad
Kayden Cruz
Probably not. The thing that hurt BoP was that it was originally featured as a BoP movie and they never gave a strong indication of what the film was. Had it been a clear cut Harley Quinn film from the start. That'd been easier. Regardless,the problem with making a Harley Quinn movie is that the material available for adaptation is silly and DC Movies don't do silly.
Andrew Brown
>They made Joker a Chad in that story. It was weird.
most of the media does a poor job of explaining why any attractive woman would fall for joker.
Like did we even see btas joker kiss harley? His fucking head isn't shaped to kiss anyone.
Carson Evans
This.
Harley Quinn basically acts like a stupid slutty baby, desperate for her daddy- I mean, "crush's" attention/approval, at any cost (including her body, mind, and reputation). She makes excuses for both the Joker and herself AS he is beating the tar out of her for a laugh. THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE CHARACTER - THEY EVEN SPELL IT OUT FOR SIMPS - SHE IS SO BROKEN AND PATHETIC THAT SHE IS LITERALLY A FUCKING CLOWN, but also dangerous because she's so psycho for Mr. J that she'll easily try to kill for him with no regard for her own life.
This is a female icon. A pathetic womanchild who is untouchable and always gets her way thanks to her dadd- I MEAN "equal male partner" and the system she lives in. This is also why she gets her shit ruined any time she has to do anything on her own without Mr. J and Gotham City supporting her, UHHH I MEAN YASS QUEEN STRONG FEMALE FIGHT PATRIARCHY.
Alexander Hughes
Are you alright, mate?
Liam Hill
Yes, the BoP thing hurt it but honestly, that's a brand no one even knows except geeks. But Joker and Harley ultra violent mad love romance? You betcha even the most casualest, the most normiest fuck knows about that by now. And really Joker has always done most of the heavy lifting for the Harley character, helping her become popularized in the first place by being associated with her. So I think yes it would do better. Also, young girls already have their empowerment characters from DC and Marvel. If you're going after older females, then throw in the guilty pleasure.
William Gutierrez
>Would the Harley Quinn movie have been more successful if she kept the slut look?
>I think they would have ate up a trashy romance movie though. Hell, look at that Shades of Grey garbage. They slobber over it. They love their guilty pleasures. Her in slut garb and SS Joker being modern day Bonnie and Clyde, they would have eaten up.
Yes. And Margot knew this.
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Joseph Brooks
I'm the first and third post, and honestly, I'm just really stressed out, which is probably coming through my posts.
As a substitute teacher, you have to interact with all kinds of shitty kids (not bad at school, just shit disturbers who ruin everyone's day), both male and female, and the part that burns is when you keep meeting adults with the exact same personalities as those shitty kids, which force-feeds you the blackpill that shitty kids don't grow more mature as adults, they just become older shitty kids, and those are some of the people making and enforcing decisions at the highest levels of our society.
Gavin Price
>everyone is gonna wanna see a Harley and joker movie BUT *I* want a girl gang movie
Yeah, Margot your instincts suck. Even you knew it.
Brandon Green
>DC Movies don't do silly.
Shazam
Jaxson Morris
>profit
Birds of Prey didn't break even.
Michael Jones
Forgot this design
Luke Jones
I mean at least this movie had an idea behind it
Good for their artistic integrity I guess
Brandon Edwards
Yeah, I'm going to be honest, Yas Forums isn't helping you any. This is a place I come to to get mad at people. If you've got aimless anger, you're probably better off unwinding in a more relaxing place.
Austin Mitchell
LMAO I hope this is bait
Alexander Reyes
>How exactly did a character who was always only visually designed to be fanservice and eye candy suddenly became a symbol of female empowerment?
So you take her original characterization of smart, but subordinate to Joker out of love.
So smart that she's actually capable of getting Batman completely trapped until Joker lets him free.
Then you take the ever present way out of her current relationship that is Ivy.
Next is the Arkham games that dialed up her sex appeal and her apparent danger even when separated from Joker.
She's gaining traction all on her own now, not just as Joker's sidekick.
Her relationship with Joker has always been abusive, if just the comical way you expect of villains, but that's enough to work with.
So come New 52, they start to divorce her completely from Joker and make her an example of a woman who escaped from a toxic relationship. Even now she's still attracted to him, but she knows it's a bad idea to act on that anymore.
Christopher Bell
Because being sexy fapbait and being empowering aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
Jacob Garcia
Yeah, sounds like a failed character with little appeal. I wouldn't put a 100 million let alone the actual 50 in my wallet behind it that's for sure unless I wanted to lose money.
John Wood
>Yeah, sounds like a failed character with little appeal.
>well liked character imported from the cartoon to the comics with massive success
I'll grant you that they're fumbling her with the live action movies and trying to turn her into DC's Deadpool, but you're retarded.
Jaxson Gray
Traditionally, woman ether want to be pretty or see beauty as an element of power (which is can easily become).
Ian Morris
don't be a girl fetishist
Josiah Green
Only lesbos actually love her character at this point because thats where she's mostly been targeted lately and they're just not enough. Casual girls will dress up as anything if it looks slutty enough so her popularity has always been a little skewed. She's just about trending out anyway. Some new flavor will be coming along shortly.
William Sanders
Says the harleyfag
Kevin Evans
fpbp
Women are made to look beautiful and attract mates. If you still do not understand this than you are a faggot.
Cameron Thompson
admittedly all the versions of harley in the past 10 years have been all over the place, but I'm surprised how upset, angry and just wrong many of you are about the btas harley. Like, there weren't a ton of episodes and her and her relationship with Joker aren't hard to figure out.
Jeremiah Campbell
like, it was grooming > abuse . gas lighting . stockholm syndrome > repeat
Dylan Davis
Like what is hard to understand about this? The faces are so exaggerated, even with autism, you should know what you're looking at.
Eli Smith
My mom likes Betty Boop. My sister likes Sailor Moon. This idea that women inherently hate short skirts and sexy outfits seems like it only actually applies to a smaller group that happen to be in the circle of creators now-a days.
Austin Bell
>gotta COOM!!!!!
Aaron Moore
Dent has the acid scarring, Joker the axis chemical fall or just a 404 backstory, Harley just falls for her patients. I feel like her is the least remorse I feel for. She should be more of a professional.
Isaiah Powell
If you look at her outfits being fapbait because Joker objectifies her, then her becoming independent and "empowered" becomes her logical conclusion. Personally I'm fine with Harley without Joker, but I do feel like the character needs SOMEONE to latch on to. Anyone could be interesting but she just feels like she works best as a "symbiotic" character to me personally.
Jayden Wright
This is my favorite Harley
Benjamin Butler
Reminds me of when Team Silent were designing Heather Mason for SH3 and, between the two character designers, the man wanted to dress Heather more conservatively and the woman wanted to have her in a short skirt.
Levi Sanders
>My mom likes Betty Boop. My sister likes Sailor Moon. This idea that women inherently hate short skirts and sexy outfits seems like it only actually applies to a smaller group that happen to be in the circle of creators now-a days.
yeah, and Bayonetta was designed by a woman, and Lynn Naylor's sketches of Harley are more unattainable than Bruce Timm's
Jaxon Taylor
>Harley just falls for her patients
it really depends. Mad Love could have been longer. Both the book and the episode. She was groomed by the joker. Everything started out simple and fun. He would use sad sob stories to get her sympathy. He introduced crime slowly. Small silly thefts. Then bigger thefts. Early on they would just knock people out. It would be later before she started to see him kill people and then she was in too deep.
A slow burn series on him really breaking and ruining her would be good. Young people, men and women, need to see how someone can be groomed.
But we won't get it this climate. You would have to admit she is flawed and has a blind spot in her assessment of others and that doesn't fit in with STRONK woman current harley. Just look up the HQ show harley. They removed all the tragedy in the character made her some girl thats just always been a crazy asshole that kills people.
Connor Edwards
Because , its never about empowerment .
its only revenge against men .
Thomas Miller
>Mad Love could have been longer
That's pretty much what Harleen is.
Evan Taylor
>grooming
She's an adult and there is glass or some impediment between her and him at all times. I'm sorry but failing this badly at your job and not picking up the signs doesn't elicit much sympathy from me. Shes at least culpable in her own fall. And her story is hardly the most tragic sob story in the bat-verse. Its pretty much teeming with bad ends but people making this much out of hers is just too much.
Levi Lewis
Harley isn't a character who's about "empowerment" she's a charter who's about being "OH SO WACKY RANDOM UNIQUE I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT"
Charles Johnson
>How exactly did capitalism twist the narrative to make Harley profit off of both dumb coomers and dumb SJWs?
user, capitalism WILL find a way to monetize pretty much anything and everything. It is the nature of the beast.
Jackson Young
>Drill hair
based
James Roberts
oh, there are plenty of horrible lives n batman. Especially in the iron age.
Mad Love hits home with some people because it is full of pretty realistic physical abuse at home. Abusive parents and spouses act like how joker acted in that issue.
Dylan Myers
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