What would the biopic for these two look like?

Here is a video that explains that situation though it is from Stan's perspective so take it with a grain of salt youtu.be/p4z7xuDhMeg

I also really like this video of Alan Moore explaining his thoughts on Stan and pointing out what it was all really like youtu.be/1iFV1HdO2pQ

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He heavily promoted himself with careful wording while doing so. Which means he's one of those "technically I did nothing wrong:^)" assholes. Stan honestly could have played a big role in changing standards for the industry, but he never gave a fuck.

Staring Seth Rogen and James Franco

Every single comic that credits him as a writer.

He didn't write those comics, and you can goddamn tell because the writing suddenly changes once the artist does. He was the editor. Nothing more or less. To call himself the writer is to steal credit.

And they wouldnt do any mistake

Stan himself espoused the truth. Making a comic called The Marvel Method. Explaining what it was and how it worked. This was before he got older and started to claim that he made Captain America... despite being twelve at the time.

18.

Jim Shooter was working in the funny book business at the age of 12. Stan probably did the same

Argo, but worse.

Stan was working from a young age. I'll give him that. But as a nepotism hire. Because, you know, Stan was a jew. His uncle owned what would be Marvel.

Everybody in comics was (and is) a nepotism hire. People like Shooter are exceptions.

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Bob Kane comes in and steals all the credit.

How the news media and comic "critics" deliberately misinterpreted events and pressured two lifelong comrades and friends into a dick waving contest until neither stan or jack could stand seeing each other for years

ending with this

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fuck news media.

Framed like a superhero origin film that climaxes in a final battle between the hero and the villain. Jack is a well-meaning extremist who takes it too far and threatens to do something dumb and harmful and Stan is forced to fire him. But because normies don't understand narratives on a conscious level, they actually become more interested in Kirby as a dark antihero type.

>nepotism hire
1930s marvel was literally lee, his uncle, kirby and spiegel and a couple passerbys. too small to have room for nepotism

he was 17 when he first started and he didn't claim he made captain america, you are high.

It wasn't big. But anyone who has to play it down that much is full of shit.

You know, this whole defending Ditko thing is funny when you consider that recent stuff just shows Ditko stole ideas from his friend Eric Stanton without even acknowledging or crediting him (most of the stuff related to Spider-Man came from Stanton)

It would either be pro-Stan propaganda that at best makes Stan a little too full of himself before learning his lesson in the climax, while making Jack a complete piece of shit. Or it would be honest and paint Stan as the thieving business man he was and Jack as the good artistic genius but fuck dumb fool who got swindled. But then I'm sure Disney wouldn't allow that film to be released.

The story that always got me was when he talked about the Galactus Trilogy. Stan told Jack to have the FF meet God. Jack came back with everything done on his own.

You open on the Kirby getting threatened by Nazi fans story, cuz that's too good to skip

Act 1 is the two of them working together to establish the Marvel age, Stan being the flashy hype man and Jack being the unbreakable backbone

Act 2 is the two of them splitting up with Stan getting more focused on trying to go Hollywood while Jack is more dedicated to comics craft. Leaves with Jack going to DC and Stan going to California.

Act 3 is both of them as older men, reuniting in Hollywood, and having a degree of reconciliation. Paints Marvel's corporate owners as the real villains, because of course.

And then because I like silly shit, have a montage of the two of them as cartoons beating up all the Marvel villains at the very end.

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Am I misremembering or did Staton create the wrist-mounted web shooters so he wouldn’t have to ink a “web gun” in panel after panel

You remember that Looney Tunes cartoon where one dog does all the good things and another dog named Shep gets all the credit for it from his master, and eventually Shep becomes world-famous for stuff the other, unknown dog did?

I don't even think the Lee-Kirby relationship was exactly like that (all you have to do is look at Kirby's own work as writer/editor to see that Lee influenced the storytelling choices and even the art choices), but that's what an interesting movie would be like.

Kirby himself once compared Lee to Sammy Glick from the novel "What Makes Sammy Run," about a guy with no real talent who becomes a successful Hollywood writer/producer based on nothing but chutzpah and ability to stab other people in the back.

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like this. almost exactly like this.

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>Having an idea is nothing because until it becomes a physical thing it's just an idea.
Steve Ditko is right here. Ideas are important to creation but it hold's little weight to actually giving it physical form. An Idea is just a creation of the mind. It has no more significance than an imaginary friend. The idea is the soul but creation is taking that soul and putting it in a body. Also an image has more weight than words. If I described Spider-Man to someone who never heard of him, then asked him to draw him it would look different then how we know what he looks like.

I think this is the best case scenario we'll never get.

Them starting in the 60s and exploring that Jack Kirby did fuck all interesting until Lee came along and how Lee needed Kirby's talent to make his ideas come to life and get done right.

There's so much petty and ill-informed bullshit in this thread its just the same idiot lies and half-truths that come up every time with these two.
Ignore all posts but these, and this one
is the best answer to he question.

>be an editor
>call yourself a writer

Delusional garbage.

Here is a pic of Stan Lee and Kirby from the early 60's.

Stan was clearly a middle age man of his time. Receding hairline, "Don Draper" business suit, all that...

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Gets a little cringy when talking about Black Panther but overall I think it delves into things fairly
zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/ff_Lee-Kirby.html

another Stan in color for reference...

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Then Stan decided to become "hip" and grow a beard.

Somehow his hairline also improved. Magically.

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This bearded and longer haired make over was no so subtlety referenced by Kirby in the "Funky Flashman" character in Mr. Miracle.

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A porno with Stan's dick never leaving Jack's wife for more than 4 minutes of screentime.

BOTH men would beat the hell out of you if they heard you say that. Kirby was short but tough.

Joe Staton in 1962? DO you mean DItko?

I too remember Attack of the Show, user.

They were almost all Jews. Lee, Kirby, Joe Simon, Bob Kane, Sirgel and Shuster, Will Eisner, Gil Kane, Jules Feiffer, Al Feldstein, Bill Gaines, you na e 'em

Kirby is what all manlets DREAM they could be

X-play

No, Lee was the first to include splash page credits for pencillers, inkers and letterers. He didn't ha e to, it was his idea. DC refused to do this for years.

Lee answered to tightfisted Martin Good an. The publisher who wouldnt blink at firing Lee or Kirby and dumping comics to sell crossword mags if he felt likr it

I like this, someone make this

Stan never claimed to have created Captain America. Be serious.

This is wrong. If you have any ear for dialogue or wry self deprecation. You can tell Stan on Dr Strange, the Rawhide Kid or Millie the Model. His style was unmistakable a

People who knew them would think you have a nerve but no knowledge

I wish someone would make a madmen like series about comics.

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This, see how popular their stuff after DC or Marvel was/is.
They are only remembered for their Marvel and DC work.
Ditkos work like Blue Beetle is only popular because DC bought it and used it. Or Giordiano did.
For example which creator, writer or artist is big or famous for his work outside of the big companies? And i would consider Image a big companie too, since they have the advertisment infrastructure.

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And his "style" changes when someone else draws the story.

Stan is recognizable, but he doesn't draft stories or even dialogue. He edits dialogue.

That is quite clever from Kirby.
Jack = Scott
Kirby =Free
Has similar tone to it. Couldnt Kirby do some magic or escape tricks too?