How did Hitler actually died in marvel or DC comics. There are many versions of stories out there.
How did Hitler actually died in marvel or DC comics. There are many versions of stories out there
Camden Brown
Jeremiah Phillips
Human Torch fried him.
Nolan Nguyen
Is that the version everyone sticking with ?
Christopher Johnson
That's the official line they put out for the MU sheeple, what really happened was Arnim Zola transferred Hitler's consciousness onto a cloned body (not just Xavier copypasta) and that retard Human Torch just ran in and torched an inanimate body.
Hitler renamed himself "Hate-Monger" and started fighting the Fantastic Four and actually a few others before feuding with the Red Skull and winding up trapped in a boobytrapped cosmic cube like the ending of Myst I.
Landon Edwards
>what really happened was Arnim Zola transferred Hitler's consciousness onto a cloned body
I mean, that's a retcon to Kirby's original story. But yeah, that's the retcon version of the retcon version.
Robert Sanchez
Hitler then recovered from cosmic cube entombment somehow and has now fights mutie scum personally in the name of humanity, thus completing his redemption arc.
Elijah King
Is that actually hitler or some other impersonators.
Carson Bell
Well it's a bit messier than that. In the comic you posted, the original Hate-Monger story, Hitler wasn't a clone. He really was just the real Hitler, secretly surviving after the war and assuming a new identity. The Arnim Zola thing wasn't introduced until over a decade later, and not even in Kirby's Zola story.
In Kirby's Captain America run he ALSO did a story about Hitler's survival, though in his version, Zola had extracted the brain of Hitler (not his mind/consciousness) and fled with it from Berlin, putting it into his super-powerful "Android X" and planning to put it into Cap's body.
Then LATER they merged these stories, bringing back the Hate-Monger and explaining Zola had been behind his creation too, and that he didn't have Hitlers actual brain, but had remote transfered his consciousness at the time of his death in the bunker.
And then it gets even more messy after that because of slack writing.
Kayden Kelly
we really won't know unless they take off the hood
Jackson Carter
Julian Hall
I like the original Kirby story better. Would love to see real life villians from history in modern era. like Hick man did with scientists like Da-Vinci.
Ryder Sullivan
The reason it was changed was that the sliding timescale pretty quickly made it impossible. In 1963 it was still conceivable to have a surviving Hitler who was still physically active, but 20 years later not so much. That's why they started putting in all those safeguards against characters being the "wrong" age, though some of them are still unexplained today and really throw the whole scheme out of whack.
Owen Gomez
Simple. Hitler has stolen a sample of infinity formula.
Sebastian Edwards
The day they bite the bullet and retcon 616 Punisher into being an Iraq War veteran will be a very sad one.
Ryder Diaz
He's already been retconned twice. First he was described as being an Afghanistan vet (which was quickly forgotten) and now he's the vet of the Vietnam stand-in country Sin-Cong (the same place where Tony Stark's injury happened).
Well Infinity Formula didn't exist yet when that was written. And yes the IF is another good example of this "age-proofing" tactic. Originally Fury was just a rather spry war veteran. No need to explain why a guy who was a young Sergeant in 1942 was still active in 1963. By 1983 however...
Camden Gonzalez
>Don't tell the world that I was killed by the enemy so that can be a martyr to them, tell them that I killed myself like a coward.
Sebastian Martinez
He just dont want to be killed by inferior Human Torch. He wanted to be killed a superior himself.
Grayson Wright
Pretty sure the original Hate-Monger was already a clone.
Adam Rogers
>Pretty sure the original Hate-Monger was already a clone.
He wasn't. The clone idea wasn't invented until way after the Lee/Kirby stuff.
Josiah Scott
Just double checked, you're wrong.
"Actually, we'll never know whether he was the real Hitler, or one of the many doubles the Feuhrer was reported to have!" - RR
Daniel Anderson
Yes, you could read it that way, though I'm sure Lee/Kirby just meant "double" to mean "doppleganger" (which was a long-standing rumor about Hitler's death at the time). Him being an actual clone wasn't introduced until later, I believe it was in the Nick Fury story from 1969 where the character first reappeared. Either way, Arnim Zola was not introduced until 1977 and his role in Hitler's survival was changed up after Kirby's issues. It's very muddy to say the least.
Grayson Roberts
Oliver Sanders
Just re-read it and nope, they keep saying "double" in the three Fury issues, with him wondering which was the "real" Hitler if any
Grayson Young
This makes me wonder, are there any comics where there are nazi heroes fighting allied heroes? Because surely that would be the only explanation why Hitler did not die immediately when the war started?
And i do mean nazi heroes, not villains like red skull, but people that save german civilians when they aren't fighting allied heroes.
Owen Clark
I dont think they will show that point of view in american comics.
Easton Price
This is my favorite so I’ll go with this one.
Luke Diaz
The Invaders had a ton of nazi supervillains, also the Red Skull existed even before then.
Henry Wright
The Hitler business was cleared up in a 1980 issue of Super-Villain Team where Hitler and Red Skull scheme to make and then fight over another cosmic cube.
Grayson Jenkins
name more based hero
Ian Rivera
Wasn't there also that scene where Bucky says he killed Hitler on one of his many brainwashed missions?
Christopher Hill
Yep.
Lucas Bell
Hudson Rodriguez
also, there is a cloned Hitler backup body who is living as a small art merchant and critic
Cap(and Shield) know about him but he's an absolutely normal person so they just keep him under surveillance in case he gets possessed by OG Adolf
Luke Miller
Based Adolf fighting for humanity against mutie scum.
Josiah Kelly
Yes but Bendis comics don't count, as he can't even keep consitency between stuff he writes himself. It's all just lulz and memes and should never be considered canon.
Juan Green
In the DC Elseworld "The Golden Age" by James Robinson the Ultra-Humanite puts Hitler's brain in the body of a young superhero named Danny Dunbar (AKA Dan the Dyna-Mite). Ultra-Humanite then gives Hitler superpowers and he starts calling himself Dynaman. Eventually Hitler gets exposed and all the Golden Age heroes (And a young Captain Comet) fight him. He's finally killed when Liberty Belle stabs him in the back with Starman's rod.
Robert Rivera
In DC comics Vandal Savage was Hitler and he faked suicide
Leo Gomez
>Marvel mini about a bunch of characters recalling how they killed Hitler
ngl wound neat, if it's a clusterfuck let's embrace it and have all of the versions and more
Jose Cook
yer i love this elseworld
Colton Morales
Andrew Perez
Brandon Morgan
Brayden Stewart
The only canon that matters.
HAIL
Ayden Rodriguez
I cant see the caveman resemblance in Hitler.
Juan Garcia
The Fantastic Four created a timeline where he was already dead.
Liam Taylor
OMAC killed Hitler. At least once.
Easton Evans
Because he's the hero Earth deserves, but not the one it needs right now, so we'll hunt him. Because he can take it, because he's not a hero. He's an Aryan Ubermensch, a Fighting Fuhrer, a Hate Monger.
Jeremiah King
Does this predate that movie scene or is it an homage? That's uncanny.
Kevin Anderson
This is from deadpool inventory issue parodying movie .
Hudson Jones
According to DC wiki, Hitler either died trying to use the Spear Of Destiny, was assassinated by the Unknown Soldier, or dies when his suspended animation pod failed sometime after being smuggled out of Berlin by sub.
I'm not sure where OMAC or Vandal Savage come into it.
Justin Reyes
>And i do mean nazi heroes, not villains like red skull, but people that save german civilians when they aren't fighting allied heroes.
When a society starts killing the most vulnerable amongst them(the mentally handicapped, including children) and then moves on to exterminating whole groups of people then that setting isn't exactly conducive to good-hearted heroes who saves people when they're not fighting the enemies of the state. A Nazi hero would by necessity not be heroic. Even the Civil War registration side would look like the most heroic shit ever compared to any "hero" who would fight people trying to stop the Nazis just because it's their country.
Landon Murphy
>Feuhrer
Luke King
Have a detective character who's trying to work out whether Hitler's still around or not, so he gets everyone who's ever claimed to have fought or killed Hitler into one room. Just so he can work out the timelines of when everyone killed Hitler, to see in which cases he might have merely faked death, which cases where he could have been reanimated with magic, how many clones were used up etc.
The plot twist being that the man who hired him to work it out was Hitler, who wanted all his killers gathered into one spot for easy revenge.
James Young
I really don't see it.
Michael Myers
Hail to the king, baby.
David Parker
OMAC killing Hitler is from Byrne's mini. Meaning it's not ever been in main continuity, so the wikia would likely categorize that Hitler as a different one.
Daniel Mitchell
Just about anybody can be made to look good next to the Nazis.
Joseph Perez
I fucking love all stories inspired by how mobsters were still patriotic and worked to keep their turf Nazi free. The Rocketeer part where the mob and cops team up against Nazi paratroopers is heaven.
Grayson Collins
Superman was curiously neutral. They explained why Clark Kent wasn't drafted (failed the eye exam, accidentally reading chart in next room) but I'm unaware of their rational for not having him wipe out the Axis singlehanded.
No in-character reason. Obviously, kids would have wondered why the stories were so at odds with reality.
Captain Marvel fought Captain Nazi. And, of course, HItler and Tojo were just obedient underlings of Mr.Mind.
Carson Morales
I thought Superman couldn't get close to Berlin because of the Spear of Destiny that could be used to mind-control him? That's why you got lots of stuff where he's sabotaging Japan, but not Germany. Or was that a much later justification?
Justin Campbell
jesus christ those reused panels
Grayson King
Because Hitler had the Spear of Destiny, which allowed him to mind control any superhero that entered Europe.
Thats really the reason they give. Retroactively, of course.
Adrian Brooks
Much later justification. I believe that was also the reason why the JSA wasn't on the front lines either because the Spectre definitely had a connection to the spear that Hitler could exploit.
Ethan Young
i want to see this story adapted to the cinematic universe
Logan Barnes
>I cant see the caveman resemblance in Hitler.
You didn't even saw it in Caeser but...guess what?!
Vandal Savage was him too
Sebastian Hughes
In the original Golden Age JSA comics in All-Star Comics the JSA joined the military and pretty much drove Japan out of the Pacific territories like 2 months after Pearl Harbor.
This was later explained away as a dream induced by the Brain Wave in the modern era, but yeah the JSA pretty much just defeated Japan in a couple months.
Sebastian Hall
Hitler never died, he escaped. the Russians just made up the whole thing about killing Hitler and the Americans knew it but said nothing so the war could end in Europe, then years later when the Apollo "landed" on the moon the Russians who knew it was fake say nothing because the Americans could reveal Russians never killed Hitler.
Justin Richardson
Why not stand back 50,000 miles and project Berlin into the Phantom Zone?
Or drop a 100 meter asteroid onto Germany?
Just kidding.
I'm trying to apply real-world logic to comic books.
Asher Allen
Why would the Russians keep Hitler alive?
Gavin Nguyen
Uber breh
Aaron Brooks
because he escaped and then couldn't find him.
Matthew Smith
Except that it's the Joker we're talking about here and such an action would be completely out of character betraying the writer's libshit wankfest state of mind that was going on in their head at the time they wrote that.
They could've gotten away with it too using just about anyone else in the DC villains universe except the nihillist,completely out of his mind,demented sociopath clownface;Two face,the Penguin,Scarface even Maxie Zeus were better candidates than the Joker for that plot twist.
>inb4 muh subversion of expectations
Bitch please,next you'll be telling me how the HBO Watchmen series was subverting everyone's expectations by making the KKK the actual bad guys from the start.
Benjamin Morales
I kinda really like this. They should just bring back Hitler as a villain again.
Justin Baker
>betraying the writer's libshit wankfest
No, the reason for this is that John Byrne is an ultra-purist who does not recognize later contributions to the characters. When he wrote Joker, he wrote him strictly as a gangster with a gimmick, ala the golden age. No non-sensical jokes or nihilism, just pure greed and joke gimmicks.
Xavier Brooks
Owen Davis
Which TMNT is this from?
Dominic Perez
>why didn't Superman burn Dresden to the ground with his laser vision, or drop the nukes on Japan himself???
Clark knew there were good people among the German civilians.
Josiah Barnes
It's an elseworld type story where the Joker isn't just a lunatic massmurderer wanking over Batman like current-era Batman was. Instead he's the mobster with a shtick again. Otherwise Red Skull would have no use for him. Hell, he'd be wanting Joker dead under Aktion T4 if he thought Joker was legitimately insane.
If you can't handle an older more innocent take on a character in a story that takes place during WWII and has a Marvel nazi villain showing up in Gotham then that's on you. And calling it a "writer's libshit wankfest" just makes you sound like some butthurt nazi.
Ian Sanders
No thanks. We'd just get daily "villains that did nothing wrong. :^)" and "villains that were actually heroes :^)" threads out of it, like on Yas Forums.
Justin Evans
Phantom Zone was first introduced in 1961. So neither the historical Golden Age Superman or the retroactive E2 Superman had access to it during World War 2.
Elijah Harris
>drop a 100 meter asteroid onto Germany?
Chase Hughes
There was a neat elseworlds comic called The Golden Age where Hitler's brain was transferred into a superhero's body.
Camden Johnson
>then years later when the Apollo "landed" on the moon
The entire Space Race was actually just a front for the joint US-USSR effort to reach Hitler's final hideout and finally defeat the Axis, as they failed to do in 1945.
Liam Lopez
>wanting characters that make sense within their own canon and decent writting makes you a nazi
In that case hand me a brownshirt and a Dodge Challenger and i'll be over in Charlottesville with those guys.
Jordan Perez
It's a comic where Red Skull shows up in Gotham during WWII, you moron. His "own canon" pertains only to that comic, and how the writer thought this DC/Marvel WWII version of Joker would act. Do you also bitch about Punisher killing heroes in Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe because it goes against his own canon?
And no, it's being weirdly butthurt about an elseworld Joker not being a literal Nazi and calling the writer a libshit for it that makes you sound like some kind of butthurt altright faggot. How the fuck is making the Joker not a Nazi a liberal thing, unless you think the right is against dunking on Nazis?
David Parker
>His "own canon" pertains only to that comic
WRONG.
Captain America punching Hitler isn't out of character for him.
The Joker moralfagging to the Red Skull is.
>this how the writer thought this DC/Marvel WWII version of Joker would act
Thank you for proving the initial point of 'libshit wankfest state of mind' the writer was in clearly though.
>Do you also bitch about Punisher killing heroes in Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe because it goes against his own canon?
>The Punisher being against killing
If nothing else the Punisher as a character was always only held back from doing that by Marvel and subsequently the Mouse because there was always a fine but very thin line that separated what constitutes a valid target for him within his own canon since the character walks the same line between anti-hero and outright villain and the only times when you get a glimpse of what could've been instead what we got is in those one shots or specials.
So to answer your question,no i don't but whenever i see Castle give a PSA for guns or some moralfagging about delivering some criminal to the court of law instead of putting a bullet into them then & there,then i can almost smell the onions emanating from the pages and two white-gloved hands rubbing in the background.
Kevin Kelly
Oh my God.
What a piece of crap.
Jack Price
Well, Adolf Hitler of course.
Jace Gray
>Hitler renamed himself "Hate-Monger" and started fighting the Fantastic Four
I'm starting to understand why comics were shat on by older people back in the day. This is unbelievably retarded.
Ethan Clark
We dont have clear picture of caeser aint we? But we have videos of hitler.
Lucas Brown
you knoww what?
I thinks that's funny that Joker is a such a piece of shit and a lunatic he thinks he can be better than anyone
And being funny should be his schtick
so im okay with that