Did everyone like this? I'm not normally one for disney shows but I gave it a shot anyway, it was refreshing...

Last season made everyone flip their shit and lose interest in the series besides shit posting and waifu/husbando posting.

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Why in particular?

I love the show up through Battle for Mewni, but then after that I devolved into a sad bitter negative bitch about it all and hated everything it became in seasons 3 and 4. Except destroying magic in the end; I'm probably one of the few people who legit liked that.

Somehow I really appreciate seeing your positive view of it, though. It's refreshing.

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A lot of people were really into the series for the setting and all the different characters. Instead what we got was Starco for the price of all that however it was already set up to happen anyways so it was pretty much just extreme forced drama in the form of the final plot. It removed that relevance of so many characters and basically just made a greater portion of the series wasted time. Why did I care or think it was cool that an inter dimensional store called Quest Buy existed or that Marco had a flying dragon motorcycle? What about this fucker?

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True. As I said before I think the relationship between the two was fine, but any more could've been too much for me. I thought pretty much every side character got at least on feature episode, many of them got a few. Personally I don't get too twisted over side characters being featured. if a particular side character sucks then a whole episode will suck. For instance Ludo was fine as an antagonist, but I didn't enjoy his feature episodes at all. I don't agree with the drama being forced though.teen drama is messy and that was accurately shown.

later seasons are different sure but damn, to go from loving to hating it. I didn't think it was all that different start to finish.

Fuuuuck ooooffff

Everyone bitches about SU threads but at least that show hasn’t wrapped up yet. Just accept that this show jumped the shark and you’re only really obsessed with it because it makes you look at your own insecurities of never having dated in high school.

rude

Tom was the worst written character, by far.

No, it is well known how woefully lacking the show is of the soulful sweetness that made Between Friends one of the only good things to come out of Star Vs.

The real Star in the TV series is a self absorbed feminist wannabe. Area's Star actually cares about Marco beyond a physical attraction like Star has for Marco's abs. TV Star has no substance, just like her creator Daron Nefcy.

As St. John of the Cross once said,
>"Where there is no love, put love, and you will draw out love."

The very epitome of Starco's image as a cute and wholesome ship is no better personified than in Area's comic, creating an interpretation of the character that trumps canon and creates something beautiful where canon has failed to.

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I liked it. It was inconsistent as all hell in the last seasons, but I liked it.

based schizo user

>flagrantly disrespecting the wisdom of based St. John

Repent, you foul heathen

Schyzofrenic is a mild way to put it
The show had no idea what it was trying to be. Sometimes it's trying to be random nonsense of a completely crazy world, other times it's trying to be this plot focused intrigue surrounding a generation-spanning conspiracy, other times it tries to be teenage melodrama.
Not saying these things can't necessarily mix together, but when this show is one thing, it's one thing only. It shifts from episode to episode, leaving you with strong whisplash not knowing what the fuck you're watching, if anything is ever going to get resolved, or if the audience is just getting baited to keep watching by promises of future payoff. Sometimes there's permanence, and other times things are just one off gags that are just offhandedly reference later but don't really have the dramatic weight you'd expect them to have. Marco's various transformations come to mind. And it turned out that they had no real resolution for any of the conflicts they set up, the show still couldn't make up its mind on whether or not it was trying to be serious or not about its world building, and most of the plot threads were complete red herrings that didn't go anywhere.

Overall, a perfect example of how not to write a show, too much pandering to wildly different audiences and not enough substance.

I am honestly surprised that some people liked the finale, especially from the amount of hate i’ve seen out and inside of here

Reminder every single problem with the show gets fixed if Toffee, Seth and Globgor are the same character

Part 1:

> Toffee's motivation to kill magic is to erase the MHC from existence as they ruined the peace treaty Eclipsa pulled off for selfish reasons.

> Toffee could have killed Comet because she refused to destroy magic in her proposal, making him distrust the queen.

> Toffee is just a nickname Eclipsa had for Seth (his real name) because of his eye color. He started using it as his official name as a way to never forget her, and to hide the fact he was the Plucker of Limbs/Queen Solaria's killer

> Meteora being alive after 300 years is easily explained if she is a septarian instead of a size-shifter. So would be her attraction towards Rasticore.

> Moon would have good reasons to distrust Eclipsa and break her promise if she had found out her husband was Comet's murderer.

> The "Love is the answer" message he leaves Star in Season 1 would have had a deeper meaning.

> The MHC hating Globgor because of the mewman eater bullshit is weak as fuck, because we see mewmen eating monsters too. It's better for them to hate Toffee for being Solaria's murderer.

> Eclipsa trying desperately to bring Toffee back to life but him refusing for Meteora's sake, is more powerful and believable than her not remembering how to break crystals.

> Toffee's actions remaining in mewmen's memories fresh are better reasons to distrust Eclipsa as queen, rather than "we heard she was evil 300 years ago but we don't know exactly why?"

> Black Velvet Inferno could be a killing spell, but septarians can't die unless Eclipsa uses the darkest one. That's how Meteora could reset, as she is half septarian she can't regenerate from zero, but goes into Phoenix mode and starts over as a baby.

> Instead of a giant retard, Star would have fought Meteora in Butterfly Mode (as seen in Gone Baby Gone) which is a spectacular design.

> Eclipsa lies constantly to Star because she killed Toffee.

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A thread without Janna? I can't allow that.

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Part 2

> Eclipsa remains a widow by the end of the show but gets to reunite one last time with Toffee in the Season Finale, when Star destroys magic as he wanted. Solaria didn't deserve that final scene after what she did to the monsters, mewmans, Mina and the other Solarian warriors. Bitch was a genocidal psycopath and deserved no forgiveness.

> Meteora's episode about her going back in time sould had been used to explain the Solarian era and how bad it was for both sides. Would had been brilliant if Meteora had been the one to kill Solaria by deeping down (by Glossaryck's manipulative demand) but young Toffee took the blame after finding out she is his future daughter.

> Last point also explains Toffee's close relationship with Glossaryck and why he sees him as a little piece of shit who deserves to die along with magic.

> The "you are boring" line could have had a deeper meaning if Eclipsa had said it at some point during her youth.

> Toffee's and Marco's parallels get real as he is part of a love triangle just like the old Shastacan-Eclipsa-Globgor (Seth/Toffee). This way Tom isn't pointless and can remain an asshole as in Season 1. As a matter of fact, all three main characters can keep their original personalities this way.

> The cleave never happens. Star repeats Eclipsa's story and runs away from Mewni and Tom, to be with Marco on Earth in the finale (season 1 ending starts playing)

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Part 3 (final)

I would keep all three names.

One of the things which annoyed me in Battle for Mewni is that Toffee was a prince and general who got Comet killed but nobody knew about him in Seasons 1 & 2.

So, if we mix all three characters into one and use two of the names as fake ones, it all make sense:

>Seth, Prince of Septarsis, King of the Dark Monster Nations and consort to the Queen of Mewni.
Real name and titles during Solaria's/Eclipsa's reigns. Guess he dissapears after Shastakan's murder to search for his child (never finds her) and doesn't return until Comet's reign, as he hears she is interested in a peace treaty.

>Globgor, Archiduke Batwin's general and Plucker of Limbs.
Fake name he uses to infiltrate Comet's peace treaty. He gets the title due to the brutality used while murdering Comet and her court members.
Only Moon knows Globgor and Seth are the same person after a conversation they share.

>Toffee. Ludo's personal assistant.
Nickname Eclipsa gave him and which he uses to gain Ludo's trust. Moon just links the dots after Season 1 finale.

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The finale was unironically the worst show finale I ever saw.

Maybe only starcofags like the finale because they don't care the genocide stuff

I don't think it needed to have a single identity, then one consistent thing through the whole run was the wacky magic, even when it was being serious. I really don't think it was any different to Gravity Falls for example. One episode it's DEEPEST LORE backstory and the next it's some filler episode with a side adventure then another it's puberty blues drama. These are ultimately Disney cartoons and not specifically made to be watched as a mini series.

Not even close to the worst one. Not even top 10 lad.

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I was never a Starco shipper, but up to season 3, I could see where people coming from. They were two kids with a cute, fun dynamic, that enjoyed each other's company and supported each other in everything. By season 3, nearly every interaction between Marco and Star was tense and sour and distressing for the both of them, not helped by the new dynamic of Star bossing around Marco; by then you can't help wondering what they used to like about each other anymore, and yet that's when the writing really starts shilling Starco for real, not just throwing hints here and there, the prime example of which was returning the human characters for one episode only to have them praise Starco over and over.

Genocide fags be like

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Starco died in Season 2 when the stupid cube implied Star was in love with Marco and all the shitty drama started.
Her confession in S2 finale was so toxic and harmful I felt bad for Jackie.

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don't forget they are 14 years old

The first two seasons and the movie were legitimately great.

Then they had no fucking idea what to do with the extra seasons, LOST a whole fifth season, and generally became such a mess no one even complains about it anymore.

Solid bait though.

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>same day as GoT
>and the same level of bad.

queue season 5 where everything is resolved by episode 5

the brand is poisoned, no one want this and for once the suits know.

>waaahhhhh everything wasn't happily ever after >why can't the good guys ever just win decisively and everyone be happy in every story

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>story about taking resposability and fighting racism end up with protagonist blamming magic for all her problems and doing a genocide without second thougths

Yes it was, it was fucking trash.

But IT WAS happily ever after, this is the problem all those characters deaths are treated as FUCKING NOTHING, Star never gives a single fuck about them, no one mourn their fate, her only problem was never being able to have sex with Marco but...SURPRISE deus ex machina solved this problem by merging the 2 worlds for no reason.

man it was such a shit show, like how badly they wrote two whole seasons, knowing the endgame, it was such a copout.

And they are supposed to learn doing those things is a bad idea. But there are no consequences for Star, so she can be as shitty as she wants.

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Shipping shit ruined the show. They should’ve gotten together in season 1 and ended that bullshit right then.

Killing Moon in the movie (Battle for Mewni) fixes most mistakes without the plot changing so much:

>Star must remain in Mewni as she is queen.

>TomStar could be a forced relationship due to status/alliances, while she still loves Marco... which creates a parallel with Eclipsa.

>Tom remains an asshole to parallel with Shastacan instead of being flanderized.

>The New Monster Town plot can happen in S3 as Star is in charge, so it saves A LOT of time.

>Queen Star would also be the main in the episodes about being popular among mewmans, instead of Eclipsa, whose plot-importance would only be related to the MHC treason and the Solarian wars exposition.

>The MHC being evil makes sense as Star reminds them way too much to Eclipsa as queen, so they try to overthrone her using Meteora as a tool (they lie to her regarding who is to blame for the baby-switch).

>Meteora can be the one who mass produces Solarian warriors (following MHC orders) instead of having Moon being a filthy backstabber. Makes more sense as she is Solaria's grandaughter.

>Instead of killing magic, the solution to the Solarian Warriors conflict can simply be using Black Velvet Inferno on the caster (make Star do it as she is the main after learning from Eclipsa).

>Make Star's success related to her human friends (keep everybody from Echo Creek in the show one way or another) while Eclipsa failed in the past because reading minds made her unable to trust anybody.

> Final episode can be about Star leaving the throne like Eclipsa did out of love for Marco, and deciding to live on Earth with him because it's the dimension she is happier.

>Epilogue scene takes place 14 years later with Globgor and Eclipsa sending Princess Meteora to Earth to live with Star (and practice magic). She meets Mariposa and the story repeats itself

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I would've preferred they stayed platonic besties and actually put effort in showing their other relationships.

to add, there was virtually never any doubt they would end up together from the first few episodes of season 1.

Only the Starco shitpost and the Family Guy one remaining.

>Meteora, the Punisher

"Two worlds cleaved together
Selfishly brought to their doom
All shall be fixed by The Punisher
By making Star a cuck"

>Tapestry shows an adult Meteora (pic related), keeping Star chained so she can't move, and forcing her to watch something off-panel. The shadows in the dungeon background suggest it is Marco with some ladies.

The full explanation behind the tapestry is that after the III World War, caused by the cleave, ended with the lives of so many monsters and mewmans, Meteora managed to avenge her parents by resurrecting magic. She recruted Mina and together the war when everything seemed to be lost, ascending to the throne as First Empress.
As punishment for causing such great damage to the mewman/monster/demon/ponihead/aquafolk/fairy... population, Marco was forced to give sexual/fertility services to widows or single ladies who wanted to have babies, and increase their race numbers. If he refuses; Star dies... and, of course, Star's punishment is being forced to watch every single sexual encounter but can't join or even touch Marco.

All hail The Punisher! Long live Empress Meteora and General Mina.

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>by then you can't help wondering what they used to like about each other anymore, and yet that's when the writing really starts shilling Starco for real

Because is le realistic, teenage relationships are messy and cool cartoons can't be sincere and cute like that animes for cringy nerds

youtu.be/xxcIE4prlME

youtu.be/BMiOpxGuI88

Literally the only reason to browse these threads

Live-action Janna

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last season was so bad that i didn't even bother to watch the finale
season 1 nad 2 were fun tho

>Seth
who?
no, for real, i dont remember this guy

All they have to do it just not have Nefcy on board. They can definitely take the few good writers from the batch, kick the shit ones out and get their season writers to work alongside them like the first two seasons. Will the fans complain? Probably. They’ll shut up once they realize the new show is better than the original.

14 year olds "relationships" are most of the time kids roleplaying as a couple to get some social status without even touching each other.

Reminder that Jackie was so plot device-ey that they turned her into a actual device.

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>there are people on Yas Forums who actually like SvTFoE's ending

>Guys I hate Star Vs and the last few seasons that's why I make and reply to threads about it daily trying to convince people it's good!
Admit right fucking now you like the finale and seasons 3 and 4 because you have not shut up about it for 11 months. You aren't fooling anyone pedofags

>show bad because writers didn't satisfy my unrealistic headcanons
Are you guys actually that autistic?

Black Star is in love with a jew, who is in love with a robot.

My sides.

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Seasons 1 and 2 were pretty good. The movie is widely considered the best place to stop but I argue that it's the hoodie episode shortly after that, since that episode allows both Star and Marco to go their separate ways.

He's from the book of spells, which goes over the lives of the past dozen queens of Mewni. He is mentioned during the reigns of a few queens as a warmongering rival to more peaceful monster leaders and an enemy of the Mewmans, but he never shows up in the show and his relationship to Toffee (if any) is never shown.

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SVTFOE provides the best pornfus and that's enough for me to consider it a good show.

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His fate is still unknown since Nefcy and Dominic contradicted each other in the AMA. Better to go the route that’s opposite of Nefcy.

I am in love. She is perfect!

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Was that ending really so bad?

they're on par.

>> Final episode can be about Star leaving the throne like Eclipsa did out of love for Marco, and deciding to live on Earth with him because it's the dimension she is happier.
>extended version of "I think earth is pretty gre-at place... " while we see how Star lives her life on earth, no open ending bullshit

Fuck off Necfy, you fucking hack, I hope you never get a show again retard

Real life Star.

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wasn't Toffee supposed to be his successor?

Yes, Toffee is a prince of Septarsis who idolatrized Seth (making them family as Seth is the ruler of their kingdom) but we don't know if he is his son or grandson... most likely the latest as Comet points out Seth is very old and Toffee was a teenager at the start of her era.
Could also be a nephew as we don't have confirmation of Seth having kids of his own.

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So many Star threads as of late, makes me feel like something new is coming up, but I know that's not happening anytime soon.

>writers didn't satisfy my unrealistic headcanons
I was Tomstar and Kellco, and the show actually delivered on that for a good five seconds before remembering that their S4 plot outline said "end with Starco". Really, how Starco progressed gets weirder the longer you think about it. The Blood Moon stuff just made the pairing uncomfortable.

I just want a spin-off movie of Meteora and Mariposa trying to resurrect magic 14 years later and cleave the dimensions apart again.

That would fix the Season Finale for me.

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The show would've been better if they didn't have any of the love drama to begin with.

>I just want a spin-off movie of Meteora and Mariposa trying to resurrect magic 14 years later and cleave the dimensions apart again.
This, except with Janna and Marco, and instead of magic, it's just trying to survive.

I hated that they killed Hekapoo and (less so) Glossaryck and Rhombulus like it was no big deal, and all the people in the wand and who knows how many other magic creatures. I hated how Pony Heads and demons apparently still all have their powers after magic was destroyed, meaning powers were not the problem but it was only Mewmans/humans who needed to be disarmed of their powers. The 'magic bad' thing seemed to be poorly thought out and almost came out of nowhere. It took what we loved about the show (magical Mewman princess fighting evil monsters) and demonized it. Magic bad, Mewmans always bad, monarchy bad, monsters always good. That's not even getting into all the problems destroying magic and merging dimensions would cause for everyone. People getting eaten by giant spiders, monsters facing even more racism due to a bigger and more heavily armed human population, etc. The more you think about it, the worse it is.

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user Star Vs is literally Yas Forums's favorite show
heroes-of-might-and-magic-v-dev.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Vs_Force_Of_Kek

As a /k/ommando, I specifically like it because of the astronomically huge body count.

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What do you make of the inevitable conflict between the humans and monsters? I say it's going to be like Fallout where the monsters get whittled down and forced into ghettos.

The monsters in this are smarter though, not like Fallout where they only have rudimentary intelligence, so not only do they have the physical advantage, they'll pick up on firearms quickly, the ones that are actually capable of holding them that is, and even the odds. So it'll come down to sheer numbers and willpower to finish the fight, that is if humans and monsters unanimously decide to wage war.

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>The monsters in this are smarter though,
Are they tho? They rallied behind figures like Toffee and immediately bailed on him the moment he lost his finger instead of raining arrows on Moon.
>that is if humans and monsters unanimously decide to wage war.
You just know monsters are going to get attacked somewhere in the world and a struggle will ensure.

I have no fucking clue how you could think a show with such fast pacing could be considered refreshing unless you're a major shipping fag.

Also Mina deserved better.

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>Are they tho?
I wouldn't say that is a negative to their intelligence, just that they're not very loyal in the presence of perceived weakness.
>get attacked somewhere in the world and a struggle will ensure.
I don't think anyone will be unified and ready to start a war, countries will be too busy coping with the cleave displacing millions of people and monsters probably aren't too eager to go to war right after a close call with being genocided. The most likely scenario is that everyone attempts to work together to keep society from collapsing with tensions high until it boils over, first small acts of terrorism until it devolves into a full-scale war with everyone fighting each other.

AKA The Shittiest Movie in the World

rated R for retards

>just that they're not very loyal in the presence of perceived weakness.
I don't think that's good user. How are they supposed to rally and unify themselves before humanity if loyalty is next to nothing?
>monsters probably aren't too eager to go to war right after a close call with being genocided.
I don't know desu, they looked like they were having a fun time fucking shit up on Earth-ni.

star fell for the same trap many people do

>I-I don't want to confess and ruin our friendship

your friendship will be ruined once he gets a girlfriend

i wish someone told me this when i was a teenager

>AKA The Shittiest Movie in the World
>rated R for retards
I kinda wish Nefcy was given a multimillion movie deal with Disney after the success of Star S2. It would be either the worst thing ever or the best worst thing ever.

If Starco was meant to be endgame...

1- Don't get into other ships.
2- Make it canon way faster and properly develope it, as in the Tangled series.

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That's my point, monsters aren't unified enough for any one country to legitimately wage war on them, they'd just put down the violent ones and that'd be the end of it. It's hard to justify a war against a loosely affiliated group of almost people.

for fucks sake it is clear as day Nefcy ripped off His Dark Materials, and just like Pullman she did with Will and Lyra, they weren't cannon until tail end of the third book.

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duno about after it finished but they did when it started

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>It's hard to justify a war against a loosely affiliated group of almost people.
Doesn't that happen on the daily on regular Earth tho?

Yeah but Will and Lyra also didn't spend the entire second and third book dating, like, Mrs. Coulter and Iorek instead

Will was mirin that Coulter ass tho

Usually, it's when they're doing something upset the host nation(s), the monsters most likely won't be doing much besides walking around and spooking people, the governments of the world would have bigger fish to fry.

Or simply ignore romance the whole show and pull out an epilogue years later with them married.

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>Or simply ignore romance the whole show and pull out an epilogue years later with them married.
That's so boring, if the show was just the first two seasons and the movie and that happened then it would comeout of nowhere.

Best girl

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Literally the only reason to watch the last two seasons. The writers clearly knew who was the best girl.

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I wish someone actually tackled these topics when making post-cleaved material.

What religion would she be?

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Was gonna say atheist but I legit don't understand how anyone could be one considering magic, gods exist and logic gets tossed out the window many times in the show. So, lapsed Catholic?

wicca

What do thieving gypsies believe in?

Reminder that they could have done much better stuff than jokes that are funnier than the whole show...

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We had just 2 days ago a post about how much of a hack nefcy is.

She fucked up her own show to the point that the Disney don't want to know of star vs ever again....

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Janna's name means the last level in Muslim Heaven. Muslims are the biggest minority in the Philippines. Bros, the best girl in the show is obviously a Muslimah.

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Agreed with user here why do that to star vs? It is a boring idea. Fuck it up bleach style? Not that what we got is less garbage. but it would be just another kind of garbage end.

People was shilling at how bad bleach ended with Ichigo just showing up married to Orihime.

The only guy with a future there was Chad. Ichigo was going bald, and Rukia was the other only character with a future, and that was it.

Few to no one liked the "next generation might do something, but I don't care" from the author.

>new project
What are the chances Nefcy is back on background duty?

Disnay has resurected far more obscure shows because of the studio's lack of ideas.
It can still happen but not too soon.

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like what? ducktales? and even that took 30 years

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Islam and Eastern Orthodoxy.

I don't remember... but wasn't nefcy the one saying he is alive and plotting....? I think?

And bisignano was the retard who said he is dead since a long time ago.

I'll help you by giving you a hint: whichever of the two that is the most anti-climatic is Nefcy.

Obviously no, there's no way in hell any Abrahamic faith can co-exist with any of that shit.
That's usually reliant on where they live, they're usually Catholics or Orthodox but they do sometimes practice Islam (especially in Turkey and Bosnia)
Probably the closest one, given her personality and experiences. I'd go with some weird occult shit.

When she was in MAD she never commented about it or posted anything in her twitter, instagram or whatever social media she had... till she got her chance with star.

Now... since she is posting absolutely NOTHING but politics in her twitter, we can be more than sure that 99.99% chances she is in background duty.

IF it's not a lie

You've got it all mixed-up. Nefcy was the retard claiming Seth is dead

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>Obviously no, there's no way in hell any Abrahamic faith can co-exist with any of that shit.
Abrahamic faiths coexist with other faiths all the time desu. In Africa, Asia, and the Americas.

Yeah, that happened.
I prefer Nefcy's as that means more interesting stuff happening on Earth-Ni

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SSSSSSSCRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAPE THE SIDES

I really hope Nefcy doesn't go the route of Alex Hirsch and becomes an explosive asshole. She actually seems very nice.

look user.... if you're one of those pajeets that only now you know about this show and desperately are trying to add to the "save svtfoe" movement... or try to convince others that the show might have S5 or a movie in the future... You're wasting your time

The best anyone could get is that the show is rebooted and disney would make it happen from S2 onwards, cause that season was the best this show had.... which would imply S2 tier cuckstar, Toffee and Marco in a relationship with Jackie/Hekapoo, and at best (for you) some indicious that star is in love with marco but is forced to let it go.

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>disney would make it happen from S2 onwards
That's definitely not going to happen. New viewers would have no idea what is going on. Plus that means we miss the best of Star during her first days in school.

Thanks... then let's hope Dominic's words stay rather than retarded nefcy 's: Seth is dead.

If by any chance they do anything with the show.... let's hope it instantly goes back to it's top-tier levels of cuckstar.

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How different would this show have if it was Bisignano was calling the shots?

true.... then it would be a complete reboot... S1, S2, and then a turn of wheel to avoid all the garbage that daron and her team of pozzed writers did

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More building for villains and less ships.

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At least in GOT the bad lady was killed by their lover and the world eventually health, in SVTFE Star killed the magic forever, only to suck big old mexican dick

>Star do you want to join us?
>You french lady, can you make us refreshments?

But she didn't do that for marco, she did that brcause she thought it was the only answer to the problems of racism and Mina's magic knights.

It was Nefcy's retarded decisions that forced the worlds to collide and fuse so that two teens can be together at expense of what made the show good enough

Star looking like my uncle after Desert Storm lol

No, she killed magic because she was too retarded to listen to Eclipsa's plan (which implied an epic battle with all the Butterfly queens using the known spells... a high note closure for the show) and Glossaryck kinda forced her last minute.

To get a mexican dick she CLEAVED two dimensions together, which is way worse.

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All the hate is from anons not realizing Star was an evilish selfish person from episode 1. If you listened to the anons in the old threads warning of Stars personality it’s not as surprising she did what she did.

Star is already dead inside.... too much cucking, she is used to it. The french girl still gets surprised.

Hey... I'm one of those anons that was insulting star and pointing at how much of a selfish bitch she was when she declared "her crush" in front of everyone making the first hole in marco and jackie's relationship... also pointed out the brittney-star similarities as "princess girl" complex

Anons back then had the "it's a flaw" excuse, it's fun even they hate the show now

She was literaly massacring civilians in Season 1 and causing pure chaos with 0 consecuences.

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What if she declaring her crush wa sa hole in Jakckie and Marco relantionship, Star and Marco were much better together anyway

Reminder, love is when you are comfortable to around someone no matter what, you're always measuring your words near someone you do not love her

She also killed monsters for fun as a kid. I mean if that’s not a warning sign...

>What if she declaring her crush wa sa hole in Jakckie and Marco relantionship, Star and Marco were much better together anyway
Marco was cursed into leaving Jackie and gets swept under the rug desu,

Not only monsters, you can clearly see her laughing as a child on top of mewman skeletons when they travel to the time dimension and see her past.
Moon and River raised a psycho.

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You guys were very mean to me while I was asleep.

Get back to the drawing boards Nefcy. Those backgrounds aren't going to finish themselves.

Reminder that no modern western cartoon is ever truly good because they're typically given 1 season and only told at the last minute if they're getting an extension so watching all seasons together always leads to a disappointing tone deaf clusterfuck of a story instead of a well written narrative with a clear beginning middle and end.

I love this pic

I didn't understood what you meant... maybe if you rephrase that? pajeet or philipino fag?

Reminder that you can have male friends and female friends, and still have your boyfriend/girlfriend. S2 was top tier because of this; marco and star were good friends.... and that was it.

Jackie and Marco were a wholesome couple little by little, in the few episodes they had.

Love is beatiful when both sides work for it and let that wholesome feeling grow inside both... just like jackie and marco did, or hekapoo and marco did or even kelly and marco did...

Love is a curse when it's forced by living together, and then called out as "love" when it never was that... going to the point of saying "it was love since episode 1"

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yeah because Africans, Asians, and Americans are fucking retards.

No need to get so hostile user, you're on a cartoon board. Only good vibes here.

>
This looks hot, Marco is a fucking bull

Anyone making any good postshow comics?

I liked this one A LOT

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>Eclipsa y su familia del las atrocidades geneticas
Is there nothing else?

Marco is literally a thirty year old man trapped in a 14 year old's body

No. Star was an annoyed, retarded, autistic, selfish bitch in S1E1, and the only difference between then and the finale is that now she's a genocider.

Silly user, they are improving mewman genetics.
Can't wait for another one of Slime and Princess Spiderbite.

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Such patrician taste you got there user.
Meteora is so hot.

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>Silly user, they are improving mewman genetics
They're going to be one of those families that other parents tell their kids not to make friends with.

It took literaly two lines of dialogue for everybody in a racist kingdom to love Globgor and democraticaly crown him king.
The man has reached a whole new level of charisma... if I were Eclipsa I'd keep him chained so the other housewives in the neighbourhood don't ride him.

The Diaz family also love Meteora being friends with Mariposa and we see her hanging up with other babies (the mothers being close and totaly ok with it) in the Cornball episode.

They are going to be fine. Same with the slime monsters... unlike mewmans, they are useful and can heal nearly every skin desease.

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To be honest GoT ending was worse. Star just didn't developed Moon enough to be a believable twist and most likely it was rushed.
GoT was fanfiction tier. As nothing was accomplished and the main characters were just secondary to the whole world history that was being built
But that mother's day was pretty intense it was different to say the least.

>It took literaly two lines of dialogue for everybody in a racist kingdom to love Globgor and democraticaly crown him king.
Season 4 desu, I expect asspulls like this.

>GoT was fanfiction tier. As nothing was accomplished and the main characters were just secondary to the whole world history that was being built
Not only that but it pretty much stained JRR's works since he had to rush for the show which by that point was out of steam and needed more material to work with.

Not an asspull though. Battle for Mewni stated everybody in Mewni is OBSESSED with babies being protected to a point the whole concept of racism is based in one side believing the other harm babies for fun. Even Heekapoo thought so and that's why she looked so shocked in Cornonation.

Globgor saving a baby in front of everybody and later offering his own freedom in exchange of her safety just triggered their morals.
In the Book of Spells Crecenda endangered a baby's life on purpose so Lady Avarius could save it, she won the monster elections because of it.

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I find hilarious how those who praise Battle for Mewni forget the movie introduced all main concepts regarding racism that were used later in Season 4.

Guess they were too busy jerking off to Toffee to pay attention.

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>I find hilarious how those who praise Battle for Mewni forget the movie introduced all main concepts regarding racism that were used later in Season 4.
Most include in there because it's at that point where you can say "yeah alright the story is over." People were disappointed back when it premiered and accurately labeled it as a turning point.

My main problems with the movie were:

>Star defeating Toffee with a power-up pulled out of nowhere, when his character wasn't even properly developed.
>Mewmans still supporting Moon when she abandoned the kingdom to save herself and her daughter's ass. She is the worst queen ever.
>Moon vs. Toffee was a joke.

Everything else was fine. I understand simplifying racism in a cartoon; the whole babies deal is a representation of propaganda during war times and works fine in a show in which characters aren't way too complex.

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I guess McCracken is also a hack by the same stupid logic

>>Star defeating Toffee with a power-up pulled out of nowhere, when his character wasn't even properly developed.
I would've forgiven the rest of your points had the movie not done this. Have Toffee ride off to fight another day and save SuperStar for a rainy day. I'll never understand what goes through this woman's head.

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>Moon vs. Toffee was a joke.

Guess that tried to prove the Grandma Room was full of lies.

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Not that I'm defending her, but she thought the movie was the show's farewell. That's why she rushed all the crap she could in 7 episodes length... sadly, 2 weeks before the movie's premiere she came with the big news that disney just gave her green light for S3.

Everyone hated it

Had the show ended with the movie, then we would never fully know who Eclipsa was and her motives. Yeah, there's no winning there.

>Seth
What were they thinking? There was no season 5, why bother setting up another guy. All it does is rob Toffee of his agency by making him the blind follower of a guy who is literally just Toffee but bigger.

I like these changes by the way

But Battle for Mewni was kinda declared as the turning point that threw this show into the toilet.

It had a lot of audience because everyone expected a glorious finale for the show, but many didn't like the direction it took...

>Marco was the king's "yes, sir" man. And he did absolutely nothing... you could delete him, and only 1 thing would be different.

>Mewmans and monsters were shown as both not knowing anything about the other and having racism issues cause of ignorance.

>Toffee was the "I'm a master strategist, you can't defeat me" *deus ex machina* "how did I lose? Noooo, I will win even in defeat"

>And star was just falling into the enemies trap because she is retarded, and she has to try... oh and she stills wins just because MC.

That's why S3 onwards lost the audience... the movie killed the appeal on the show for a lot of fans.

>>Marco was the king's "yes, sir" man.
Rivers was such an incompetant retard in the movie.

>sadly, 2 weeks before the movie's premiere
The S3 renewal was publicly announced months before S2 premiered. She did think Battle for Mewni was going to be the end, but considering the short wait between the special and the rest of S3, she learned that while those BfM eps were in production.

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much better

Why are the Laser Puppies the only magical creature that died? Do you think Star makes them eat peanut butter out of her?

absolutely THIS. all the forced other ships instead of focusing on actual character dynamics or proper plot development were just one large part of what dragged the show down

That was daron's bait in hopes of getting more, leaving that "the real villain is on her way" so that anyone wants to know what happens next... since disney's execugibes behomd this show watched the movie before it's premiere they gave daron a green light for 3rd season cause of that bait.

>Why are the Laser Puppies the only magical creature that died?
They're literally the only ones who lived because while genocide is bad, being a dog killer is worse to Nefcy.
>Do you think Star makes them eat peanut butter out of her?
She slathered PB on Marco's dick while he slept and let the dogs go to town on him.

>execugibes behomd
Executives beyond* fuck my phone and dumb fingers.

They shouldve been dating since season 1 and the finale should have been reserved for Star proposing to him.

middle eastern mysticism

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>Hacks hate him!

>epilogue years later with them married.
Thats even dumber. Most people dont marry the first or second girlfriend they ever had at 14. Nefcy already confirmed that they'll probably break up.

fucking delete this dude

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lizardcucks will never stop seething I see

dude this is a cartoon, it is basically a fairy tale, you know it, I know it

>Nefcy already confirmed that they'll probably break up.
She actually didn't, she says it's up to fate. But given it's Star and Marco, and Nefcy is bringing in the real world into this, the future doesn't bright.

oh no
why would they break up
such a cute couple
they encourage each other's worst traits
and should totally live together forever

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Really, I would have preferred a "Sorry, we have no material, read the book" instead of they to milk GRR characters, and not doing a good job at that. We got fanfiction

>they encourage each other's worst traits
they don't do, Marco make star be less of a hurricane and Star makes Marco be less of a pussy ass nigga

>they encourage each other's worst traits
It wasn't always like this.

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>Marco make star be less of a hurricane and Star makes Marco be less of a pussy ass nigga
In season 1-2 sure, but everything after that was Marco being Star's little dog who tags along.

haha remember how Star helped Marco stop being a bitch ass nigga by making him give up adventuring with his harem of muscular, stacked monsterthots while riding a dragoncycle while punching dragons in the dick and being an all around badass to make him babysit a god pretending to be retarded

it was morally wrong to let marco in the neverzone

Hekapoo didn't think Marco would be retarded enough to actually go into the Neverzone, and only allowed him to continue chasing her because he was not only surviving, but thriving. What was morally wrong was giving him a pair of scissors stolen directly from Hekapoo without advising him of the consequences of an apparently benign magical item recklessly.

star didn't know ponyhead stole the scissors

Star was friends with an... *ahem*... "magical floating pony head of color". She should have presumed they were stolen.

>NOOOOOO MARCO STOP TURNING HEKAPOO INTO YOUR PERSONAL CUMDUMPSTER TAKE CARE OF ME AND GLOSSARYCK

in a change of topics, i'm the only one who thinks ponyhead improved alot later on? I hated her in the first episode but the way she says "I CALLED" when star confesses cracks me up

I hate Pony Head. I hate everything about Pony Head. The episode with her family showed how obnoxious, mental, and disgusting she is, and yet she was still considered Star's best friend...

Ah. Wait. Star's first spell was locked in a cabin in the middle of the woods in isolation for years, and being the sociopathic cunt she is she didn't give a damn about it until she tried to use it as leverage to get out of having to vacation with her boyfriend.

I don't think she is meant to be synpathetic

>She actually seems very nice.

Yeah, Hirsch did too.

>I don't think she is meant to be sympathetic
She clearly isn't, but for some reason, the writers loved giving her episodes. I think she has more episodes to herself than Marco does.

Yeah haha that whole realization in the mid-season how everything bad happening in her life is a direct result of her shit behavior, and then the whole Battle for Mewni thing when she realized how important responsibility is, and then the start to S3 where she vows to become better really helped hammer home just how shitty a person Star is when she didn't follow through on ANY of that development and instead committed multiversal genocide to get sloppy seconds.

>instead committed multiversal genocide to get sloppy seconds.
Desu Star committed genocide, but it wasn't for Marco. In fact, she did it knowing well that it would seperate them.

That's what the German would have you believe.

would you guys have liked better if it went full amber spyglass and they actually got separated

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Yeah, Star has a kingdom to look after with her family and Marco has to pick up the pieces of his personal life on Earth after bailed on everyone. They would grow from their experiences on Earth and Mewni and from each other and grow up to be successful adults.

>successful adults.
that worked sooooooooooo well for Lyra

>they encourage each other's worst traits
>and should totally live together forever
That's how we get Punished Star.

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Hirsch never seemed nice.

Yeah, he was apparently nice to Make-A-Wish kids but he's an asshole to literally everyone else.

Nefcy seems nice.

>Way bigger bodycount.

Fucking based and cucpilled

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Is this scene the show's version of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand?

>he was apparently nice to Make-A-Wish kids
What if Alex spent his entire visit telling those kids they would be better off aborted then holding their parents back? That would be really nutty.

Fuck off Star, can't you see we are busy? H-poo and I have done so many things together that I decided I had to reassure her, she is the most important woman in my life, 16 years won't go to waste.

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Because they're teenagers. They grow apart. They meet different people.

But really I can't imagine how it'd be the break up. But I imagine how it could be a fight between them.

>But I imagine how it could be a fight between them
You just know one of them would be dramatic and say the magic is dead. Teenagefags be like that.

>You just know one of them would be dramatic and say the magic is dead.
That'd be Star. That was her main defense. If she can't live with her actions I doubt Marco will stand her for too much time.
But there could be worse problems in the short term. Probably good old xenophobia against Mewmen

>That'd be Star. That was her main defense.
I always thought it would be Marco who'd spill the beans. Star, on the other hand, would avoid the issue and do whatever it took to make it go away as she did with Tom and keep a false face up. Marco would probably get bored like most teenage males do and find entertainment elsewhere.
>But there could be worse problems in the short term.
Other kingdoms are going to start asking where their magic went and that they didn't want to end up on Earth. Star would probably get a name change.

That's better, but it still fucks with Moon freeing Eclipsa being set up as releasing something terrible. Eclipsa just being a cool grandma was a huge tone shift. She doesn't have to be THE villain, but she has to make Star go, "Wow, don't want to go there." at some point.

>what we could had
not fair bros

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Don’t worry bro, someone else picked up the mantle and Star will be brutally cucked.

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Reminder that Hekapoo canonically doesn't have any breasts.

why did queen moon lose her chin?

DFC on a curvey shortstack are a wombocombo. Nefcy BTFO

As cute as Marco Star are together it would've been cool if they both ended up with different people. Just to SUBVERT expectations.

I wanna cum in Marco.

Destroying magic was necessary to destroy portals between dimensions. This is a metaphor for stopping Marco from getting a passport and voting with his feet

All roads lead to Janna.

>Just to SUBVERT expectations.
Die

>hur dur, Male protagonist *must always hook up with female protagonist

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reminder there is a zero percent chance marco was not smashing puss the whole time he was in the neverzone

You can’t look like that guy and not have unsupervised sex. It’s impossible.

I can't watch shows like these bros it reminds me time has slipped away.

Based, redpilled and blessed

>SUBVERT expectations
As this show is about magical princess Star, just let's make season 3 and 4 about some queen called Eclipsa and her monster lover instead. Just to SUBVERT expectations.

Oops. Didn't go well.

I can unfortunately see myself on my deathbed 60 years from now still typing on whatever Yas Forums equivalent exists then about how Eclipsa ruined Star Vs., before dying mid-post

thank you Nefcy, the wounds are deep

>tfw here forever
>unironically

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If they break up after cleaving two dimensions together because of their so called "love" I demand King Globgor to break his vegetarian code and eat them alive.
Nobody would complain.

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I'm really wondering what the fuck he's going to do with the last book in the sequel series. The last one really put Lyra through the ringer.

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The Star I know would never try anything in an ugly brown dyke. She only like Chads

Meteora, the Punisher, will make sure justice is served as her father's main dish.

Star will pay.

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Shark jump moments
>moving the show to Mewni and discarding Echo Creek
>Star's bloodline being revealed to be a sham
>the cheekmarks mean nothing except "this character uses magic too much" (even then Star had them when she was an infant)
>Eclipsa wasn't some evil queen, in fact none of the royalty really werent not even her skinhead mom, just some "cool" guitar playing wine aunt
>Marco gets dumped by Jackie (but its played off as Marco dumping her because women can do no wrong in this show) because of a cuck rag he cannot take off that never comes into play again
>shipping musical chairs all throughout seasons 3 and 4
>Toffee's grand plan was to become a poor man's Hexxus
>budget was tanked so seasons 3 and beyond had no more battles, characters were defeated offscreen like Mina which trivialized her threat level and made her being the final boss a joke
Tons more I cannot remember but these were the worst offenders.

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Okay if you say so...

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Yep, pretty much Hekapoo was Marco's personal cumdump till the show's crew went retarded for starco crap

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Remove corn

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>Reminder that Hekapoo canonically doesn't have any breasts.

Don't be a retard user.

The crew tried their best to make it look like she had no breasts. But canonically it's a big bust.

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Everyone liked this show during it's two first seasons (mostly 2nd).

The show went right into the garbage can during 3rd and 4th specially because they didn't know what to do with their MC and deuteragonist

They had issues forcing a relationship between MC and best friend but at the same time trying to make it look like a wholesome relationship... since it was forced and everyone knew it, they said: Fuck it! let's delete the little thing that makes it forced and then call it "true love since episode 1". Almost everyone hated that... because instead of solving the problem, they just delete it inshow and act like it never happened.

Only good villain was killed in the movie, and never got a real replacement that made the hype go high in expectations.

The only posible villain was whitewashed and turned into the cinnamon roll that fight the forces of Bigotry.

Other characters went full retard mode so that MC can shine as if she had somehow matured and is the voice of reason and development... which wasn't the case.

Finally, they made the MC accuse that Magic (the essence of the show) is the responsible of all bad things for mewmans, she commits a magic genocide with some few exceptions cause author and her crew after the end understood she fucked up.

The show wasn't that bad... but it shot itself too many times in the feet

Heekapoo and Eclipsa have the biggest busts canonicaly, but the crew of certain episodes tried to make their tiddies smaller for some retarded reason.
Guess hot characters are problematic in cartoons.

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Daily Reminder

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my god this.
Star is super super cute though.

Reminder Toffee was right all along so he didn't deserve to die like that.

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Reminder that killing your favorite waifu is ok when a sexy lizard does it?

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Unless you mean the goat... and he pretty much killed himself to save Moon, the backstabber.

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>parkour is cool to a princess who beats the shit out of monsters on the regular

Moon is literaly the worst person in the show (among the living), she keeps on breaking promises, lying, abandoning her people to save her own ass, betraying those who help her and manipulating mistaken individuals into participating in terrorist attacks for selfish reasons.

Star killed magic because of her dumb ass and the worst part is she got away with everything because "she is family".
Heinous got murdered by her own mother and reseted into a baby for much less.

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Daily reminder that during those 16 years Marco and Hekapoo had some times of peace, in which she tended different kinks they had.

He returned as such a Chad that every girl afterwards was melting with his touch.

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So is Marco going to wait until his partner is of age or nah?

For the sake of cucking her, he'll pretend he is waiting for Star to grow while doing all the MILFs

Not that Globgor and River are gonna care, they have a bisexual thing going on.

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Started going to shit after season 2. It's just another case of a Children's cartoon getting hijacked by selfish,autistic adults. Eventually it got to a point where there were whole episodes with no funny jokes but a whole lot of seriousness and drama. Maybe if Ludo stuck around in place of all those romance episodes involving 13-14 year olds, things might have been better off.

These days, I just automatically drop a show when it's trying to push an ideology or brainwash Children into adopting the writer/s opinions and beliefs instead of being entertaining.

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Globgor and River have their own harems, no problem sharing them with bros as long as Star stays out.

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By the 4th season everyone involved completely forgot Star was capable of doing anything except standing in the background and saying "wow Eclipsa, you're amazing!"

What would you guys say to Nefcy if you bumped into her walking down the street?

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Pic. That's the answer

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What?! It's the opposite.
The annoying thing was that Star was the "voice of reason" around retarded adults who needed to learn the same lesson over and over again. Yet, it didn't work because Star's solutions are plain stupid, annoying and make her look like an hypocrite... Nefcy's attempts to make her look "smart" backfired by making her annoying.

No wonder the best episodes in Season 4 were the ones she barely or just didn't show up.

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It's really not. At this moment I'm not really in much of a mood to type out a whole essay beyond dumb negative shitposts, but in the earlier seasons Star was a more active character who the plot actually concerned.

By the later seasons she's just so often in the background or not present in an episode at all, the conflicts or solutions all come from someone else, or she just plays an incredibly generic role that any character with any personality type could be placed in and that doesn't have much to do with her defining characteristics (ex. just a love interest or just Eclipsa's sidekick).

>Star was the "voice of reason" around retarded adults who needed to learn the same lesson over and over again
This was Eclipsa.

>the best episodes in Season 4 were the ones she barely or just didn't show up
Nuh uh. Also the fact that S4 had so many of those episodes in the first place really demonstrates how little of a fuck the crew gave about the "main character" (not really, sadly) by the end.

>This was Eclipsa

Star literaly teaches Eclipsa the same lesson three times and even corrects her when it comes to magic (which makes literal no sense but we have to force our main character to be better than any experienced adult)

The only two times Eclipsa acts like the voice of reason is when she frees the mewmans Star has enjailed, and when she plans a strategy to defeat the Solarian warriors instead of commiting genocide... and the last one doesn't even count because the script claims Star is in the right (even if anyone with two brain cells could disagree)

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>yfw the girl she met in the temple is leading her to see that Will moved on with his life and doesn't even think about her anymore

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>Star literaly teaches Eclipsa the same lesson three times
You're gonna have to spell out what those three times were so I can complain about them properly.
>corrects her when it comes to magic (which makes literal no sense but we have to force our main character to be better than any experienced adult)
I'm also not sure what this is referring to either, but I'd say it does make sense through how both have a similar powerlevel and how Eclipsa literally does not do shit. She barely ever used the wand. There's also so much about Eclipsa that makes no literal sense either because the writing just isn't that great (if she's so independent and rule-defying, why the fuck did she ever entertain the idea of a fake marriage to a guy she wasn't interested in the first place? That's just one example).

>when she frees the mewmans Star has enjailed
Just another example of how the writers seemed to favor Eclipsa much more than Star. There's really no real reason Eclipsa would be more willing to forgive the Mewmans than Star would, except for how by the last season she somehow became the crew's pure perfect angel waifu. Nothing about her comes together coherently at all.

Don't forget:

You're here forever.

That's not Higgs

no such thing as ''wait until his partner is of age'' for a latino.

Higgs looks like she smells funny and not in a good way.

>Nothing forced or ham-fisted
Can’t believe nobody responded to this.

The problem with Star is she's newly handicapped. She fought with magic and she fled also with magic. The stress is just too much and until she copes with that she could behave like a whiny bitch.
>Other kingdoms are going to start asking where their magic went and that they didn't want to end up on Earth. Star would probably get a name change
That's only Mewni. Other kingdoms are too rich to be discriminated, or have a lot of resources that they know how to make them useful, or just to similar to America. The central kingdom of Mewni is populated with people who cannot live by themselves

>I'm also not sure what this is referring to either

user is most likely doing something else but he is obviously refering to Star being able to undo Eclipsa's curses while she can't and how she praised her 24/7 about being able to use wandless magic.

Eclipsa even specificaly states "you are better at magic than me" in the Spiderbites episode. Season 4 obsession with masturbating Star's ego is insane.

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>that be vending machine isn’t my face
:(

>he is obviously refering to Star being able to undo Eclipsa's curses while she can't
Once again, plz be more specific. I remember the broad strokes of the last season very well, but I really don't know what this is specifically referring to.
>she praised her 24/7 about being able to use wandless magic
Yeah, so she could take the wand and spellbook from her. She wasn't being genuine at all but no one really ever responds to it and she's portrayed like she was in the right.
>Eclipsa even specificaly states "you are better at magic than me" in the Spiderbites episode. Season 4 obsession with masturbating Star's ego is insane.
Again, she was lying and/or sucking up, depending on who you see as better magically. Nothing more.

But I can't believe you'd call anything besides the obvious favoritism of Eclipsa "insane." It doesn't matter what Eclipsa SAYS, it matter what the show actually DOES, and what the narrative actually did was constantly favor and reward Eclipsa while constantly sidelining and undermining Star.

>Also the fact that S4 had so many of those episodes in the first place really demonstrates how little of a fuck the crew gave about the "main character" (not really, sadly) by the end.
The crew must’ve had it with Star after the third season. Not got gonna that’s pretty sad.

>if she's so independent and rule-defying, why the fuck did she ever entertain the idea of a fake marriage to a guy she wasn't interested in the first place? That's just one example

Didn't you read the Book? She wasn't that rule defying as a young girl, except for a couple of harmless "rebelious" teenage acts, like dsting the enemy out of curiosity. She wanted to fulfil her mother's wishes and even tried to please Shastakan by testing new perfumes to attract him.
She didn't go full rule-defying until Globgor set an ultimatum: "marry me and get a peace treaty or choose Shastacuck and prepare for war, because I can't defend you in front of the other monsters for much longer"

Shastakan didn't play his cards right. When he finaly fell in love with Eclipsa (after their wedding night) she had already set her mind about how big of a douchebag he was. If he had been sweeter before or had noticed Eclipsa's attempts of being closer, he could have won. But his route wasn't good for peace anyway as the Spiderbite kingdom was useless.

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The book suuuuuuucksssssss though and I don't really want to, mostly because I know its content anyway just through threads like this. Well, the Eclipsa part sucks at least ("better reveal that Eclipsa was still canonically a virgin before leaving her husband just so everyone who's as big a fan of her as we, the authors, are, can love her even more knowing she was pure!" Such bullshit); I'm not gonna deny some of the other stuff is fun and had effort put into it.

>like dsting the enemy out of curiosity
Oh, yeah, that's nothing. No wait actually that's a pretty huge deal but suddenly she's mommy's slave because Eclipsa always has to be a victim, and therefore justified, despite also being portrayed as a goddess who could totally kill you and your entire family.

>marry me and get a peace treaty or choose Shastacuck and prepare for war
I don't recall this and feel your post is exaggerating it somewhat, but that makes Globgor sound like even more of a douche. That's like rapist/wifebeater talk, again not really jiving with how the show wants him to come off. They're all just such shitty inconsistent characters.

>If he had been sweeter before or had noticed Eclipsa's attempts of being closer, he could have won. But his route wasn't good for peace anyway
If you don't worship Eclipsa you deserve war and vore, apparently.

>Once again, plz be more specific

Episode "Swim Suit" (one of the best in the whole show)
Eclipsa and Rhombulus had an argument, things escalated and he ended up trapped in several curses. Eclipsa panics because she can't undo them and it takes literaly two seconds for Star to find the solution and tells her what to do.

Except for the cringy part of Star Sue teaching others how their spells work, the episode is a solid 10/10.
Really funny and dramatic equaly.

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Surprisingly, I agree with you and think that was a legit good episode. It's one of the very few times the narrative itself portrays Eclipsa as flawed and demonstrably in the wrong. But then after that they never did it again and Eclipsa even ends up justified in retrospect because Rhombulus is an EVIL RACIST.

>Eclipsa panics because she can't undo them
I mean, it does sound dumb in retrospect, but if we're supposed to take this and a few other episodes as honestly part of Eclipsa's character, it's possible she IS actually meant to be someone who's sort of generally useless but knows a few useful spells.

Again, though, what with the inconsistency in writing her, it's really hard to tell what her powerlevel or anyone else's is honestly meant to be.

>better reveal that Eclipsa was still canonically a virgin before leaving her husband

Who told you that? Eclipsa and Shastakan had their wedding night and he was such a creep (keeping his shoes in bed and all) that Eclipsa asked him to keep distances except for social events. He fell in love with her after that, guess he likes them hard to get.
Then he tried to force Eclipsa to have his baby and she freaked out and ran with the monster who at least offered a peace treatym

Seriously, stop making things up.

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Maybe I'm remembering things wrong, but I seem to recall like as soon as they were officially married both informally agreed not to treat it like a real marriage and just keep up appearances, so no one was fucking anyone. Then when Shastacan said he was tired of living a lie while Eclipsa goes out to fuck Globgor and asked if they could actually have kids, Eclipsa noped out of there.

The Book is the best thing to come out of the show. Regarding the ultimatum, it makes sense if you read the whole thing and consider Globgor's position.

>Fall in love with a girl as kids. You play with her in front of her psycho mother and she freaks and starts massacring all your father's subjects.
>As a prince, you must take responsability and since a young age you are forced to lead armies. You try to avoid killing the psycho mom because that would make your girl sad.
>War gets worse and your father dies. You try to use this opportunity to create a pro-peace party and win the elections. You are a king in your teenage years but must provide the peace treaty you promised.
>Psycho mom is murdered by a septarian. With your girlfriend as new queen peace is finaly... oops, nevermind, she decided to eradicate the septarian populationto protect her kingdom and obeys her mother's last wish (marrying someone else)
>Your girl keeps on obeying the MHC and providing the enemy with even deadlier spells than psycho mom. Your armies no longer trust you because your girl has chosen war.
>You get mad because dealing with a woman's bullshit has its limit. She keeps on saying she loves you while killing your kind. Time to set an ultimatum: she must prove her love is real and that she wants peace; if not, it's time to break up and stop holding back in the battlefield.
>She choses you and peace so the nightmare can finaly end. No more blood will be...

Well, we all know this story doesn't end well.

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I have the book right here. There's a part in which Eclipsa informs Globgor of how her wedding night with Shastakan went, she was disgusted with her husband's actions but Globgor still felt jealous... seems like they fucked.

The deal with Shastakan happens later and, yeah, he claims to "love her" after all that time faking a relationship. Could be a lie though and all he wants is to assure his position with an heir.

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I wish Kipo fucked Benson
fucking queers

>she was disgusted with her husband's actions but Globgor still felt jealous... seems like they fucked.
I can't believe Globgor settled for sloppy seconds. He really is the Star of the monsters.

>season 1-2: Marco helps Star be more responsible and Star helps Marco be more adventurous
>season 3-4: Marco is an impulsive retard with ADD Star has to nag, and Star is overly responsible and moral to the point she gives away the wand

You said it yourself, it's obviously not the parkour that's making Star wide eyed. Ever notice how Star never dates white boys?

>shooting him in the back as he's walking away
what a shit ending

>Ever notice how Star never dates white boys?
He's white in spirit.

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Globgor fucked her first for sure (they saw each other in secret for years and Eclipsa makes a big deal about the importance of love when doing intimate things), he is also described as a very popular and attractive man, so he had his monster girl harem for sure. During war, everybody fucks.

Reading the chapter here too. It's hard to prove she fucked Shastakan or not because her description is rather vague and she is just trying to trigger Globgor's jealousy.
You can either understand she saw Shastacuck with the shoes on and kicked him out, or that something else happened but she was too focused on her husband being disgusting.

It's up to the reader's interpretation. Eclipsa also lied to Globgor previously to trigger him, by stating she had doubts between him and a septarian (when in fact she knew she wanted him only and that septariand may be entertaining but they are not boyfriend material)

My guess is there was no sex, but Eclipsa made it ambiguous to annoy Globgor. Seriously, that monster is a saint.

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S1 was okay
S2 was great
S3 was stupid
S4 crashed with no survivors

I think the same. Just read the chapter for the first time (good shit and big fun of Globgor and Seth, would watch a movie of their time)

Eclipsa kicked Shastacan out after he proved to be gross (at least she gave him the chance) but annoyed the hell out of Globgor for kinky reasons.
But we can't know for sure... also Globgor seems to be older than Eclipsa, he achieved a lot and was leading in no time. When drawing him, he seems to be in his late twenties while she is fourteen.

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Hotdog down the hallway situation.

Based Johnny

that's because it's weak bait.

Globgor is older.

When Solaria talks about the incident she points out his presence in the tent where the peace treaty was discussed. He was nervous and couldn't even speak properly in her presence.

That makes me believe he was a teenager at the time (14 or so), so it's normal Solaria got mad when he saw him playing with her child. Even if he had no bad intentions, the age difference is a problem... I'm sure Solaria wouldn't have attacked a kid.

It also explains Eclipsa's obsession with making him jealous. She is too young to compete with the monster ladies he might have been dating and played dirty to get his attention.

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Sauce of the pic?

I wanna fuck Tom, no homo

>no homo
Tom is peak homo tho.

How did Globgor do it? Shize-shifted it to be smaller at the begining (to break the hymen) and then make it gradualy grow inside, for his own confort and to make sure no other dick could ever satisfy her?

What a chad.

PS: think he was faking the jealousy to please Eclipsa. He is older and most likely know his D has no competitor in Mewni for experience. She is just too childish in the book to notice he is messing up with her.
In "The Monster and the Queen" he is introduced as someone intuitive who fools Eclipsa when she thinks she is in control.

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This.

Considering the timeline in both Solaria's and Eclipsa's chapters, Globgor is at least 10 years older than his wife. That's why he gives no fucks about the whole monster date thing, he knows she is just doing it to get his attention (in fact, she usualy just left after having lunch because she found them either boring or disgusting). A little girl trying to play grown up and failing miserably.

I only have doubts about her screwing Shastacan or not. Globgor didn't make a fuss so I guess she didn't but tried to make it look as something bigger.

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Found it in the Rule34 site. Either search as Meteora, Rasticore or Heekapoo.
It's one of the first pics.

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Eclipsa did nothing wrong. So what if the Mews were put out on the street? Did you cry for the moors when they got kicked out of Spain and Italy?

He's biracial

>Did you cry for the moors when they got kicked out of Spain and Italy?
Kinda? It was more sad reading about the Moriscos who tried to prove that they were genuine Christian and Spanish as their neighbors, only to get the boot.

>Tom was a hapa
Dude was never gonna make it.

>>moving the show to Mewni and discarding Echo Creek
Ok
>>Star's bloodline being revealed to be a sham
Not really, actually sets a great explanation for what comes later. It's some of the little that was planned in the show
>>the cheekmarks mean nothing except "this character uses magic too much" (even then Star had them when she was an infant
Irrelevant
>>Eclipsa wasn't some evil queen, in fact none of the royalty really werent not even her skinhead mom, just some "cool" guitar playing wine aunt
Propaganda exists
>>Marco gets dumped by Jackie (but its played off as Marco dumping her because women can do no wrong in this show) because of a cuck rag he cannot take off that never comes into play again
Agree, wasted character. Really, they should have shown some of her flaws
>>shipping musical chairs all throughout seasons 3 and 4
Yes, but a lot of vocal fans would disagree. Fuck, starco was annoying during that time
>>Toffee's grand plan was to become a poor man's Hexxus
You give too much credit to the lizard. Great personality though
>>budget was tanked so seasons 3 and beyond had no more battles, characters were defeated offscreen like Mina which trivialized her threat level and made her being the final boss a joke
It became more profound and political, it was not Yas Forums friendly or too SJW friendly also, but I liked it. No wonder everyone in the authoritarian extremes seethe

It was never really that good.

It was good, it’s just that last two seasons were fucking terrible.

I liked all 4 seasons desu. It was never outstanding but it's a fucking disney channel cartoon not a 1950's kino.

>Irrelevant
It was relevant you quintuple nigger. Same with Eclipsa's chapter literally turning Marco evil, it wasn't propaganda. Jesus how many unfired Chekhov guns did this shit show have...

Evil? He just got possesed and started floating around the room.
It's a security measure used to avoid unwanted readers. Remember Shastacan started peaking her chapter when he suspected she had a lover.

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Princess Dih's chapter has something symilar. She hid the content with dark magic, so unless you were good at it you couldn't read the whole thing.

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>you will never be best friends with Janna and then one day she casually asks if you want to fuck

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I did see her at a concert, didn't say much since she was with her husband.

What concert?

>Eclipsa's chapter literally turning Marco evil
It was just a gag.

She won't ask, she'll simply hypnotize you into doing it.

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>You will never be bros with Marco and then one day he casually asks if you want to fuck after hearing you say you've not been successful with women lately

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>Marco, do you want to fuck?
>Janna no I’m in a relationship with Star.
>...Marco, do you want to fuck?
>Fine, but I’m not wearing any protection.

Let Star watch.

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Make a doujinshi out of it.

A doujinshi about a teenager trying to fool an adult man into believing she had sex when in fact she didn't?

Unless it follows with Globgor raping the sense out of her, while asking who rides her better, I don't see much fap content.

I'd rather draw alternative Festivia and Meteora deeping into their "sisters" bond. If you know what I mean...

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20 pages of Eclipsa sucking and fucking monster dick and oozing thick creampie wads would be fun.

Mmm sounds nice.
Is he on Plucker of Limbs/Warlord king mode or has Eclipsa softened him already?

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>>Star defeating Toffee with a power-up pulled out of nowhere, when his character wasn't even properly developed.
I get it if you didn't like the power-up but what about Toffee wasn't developed? You know who he is, what he's like and why he's doing stuff. What more did you need?

No, we had to find out who he was and why he thought that way in a book and in later interviews.

I consider that a big mistake when it comes to narrative.
But hey! Let's waste time with ships and love triangles instead.

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It was a fun ride while it lasted.

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We absolutely didn't. We find out he lost his finger to Moon in Into The Wand, that he was a general who led a splinter army against the Mewmans and killed Comet in Moon the Undaunted, that he wants his finger back in Starcrushed and, if you REALLY didn't get why he hates magic, Meteora's Lesson spells it out for you.
The most the book adds is that he was a prince.

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I unronicaly enjoyed anons tantrums and memes 'til the very end.
Based Nefcy gives no fucks.

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>if you REALLY didn't get why he hates magic, Meteora's Lesson spells it out for you
I'll give you the rest, but the show honestly wasn't clear on why Toffee wanted to get rid of magic, and saying that such ambiguity surrounding a key element of his character is fine because an episode that aired a season and a half after his death finally explained it doesn't work.

By the time of his death, it looked like his goal was just his lost finger, with him destroying magic being the random method chosen to accomplish that; not him wanting to destroy magic because he thought it was exploited by Mewmans to keep monsters down, and getting his finger back was just a sweet bonus.

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>"Look Grobb a real male, so big and virile!"
>"I see him Bork, he will give us strong babies! And he ecen brought a yellowish haired slave, to help us raise them while we keep on mating with him so he can breed more with us!"
>"I know, just take a look at her, she clearly is unfertile, she was born to raise other women children!"
>"he is comming this way, quick, let's take our loinclothes off and invite him in our cave, just as we are going to invite his virility into our bodies!"
>"yes, I'm already doing that, the unfertile, thin slave can watch from the entrance, let's chain her close to the fire so she can prepare us and specislly him a nutritious meal to keep on breeding us until next fullmoon!"

God I miss those two amd all the cuckinf that they were going to give Star.

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i remember that i really liked it

In 14 years from the end, they will be cucking Star like crazy. And it will be legal given they'll be technicaly 29.
Meteora remembers and has a plan for the long run.

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It hurts.

>Marco doesn’t think it’s right
>Star tried to convince him to do it
>leaves some hints here and there, he still doesn’t get it
>Star brings out the big guns and tries to convince Marco by setting a bush on fire and telling him God wants it to happen

porn was good

When he first joins Ludo he says "Yes, well, you're not the first monster to fall victim to their magic", they were always pretty explicit that he got fucked over by it even if they hadn't expanded on it later.

Getting his finger back was always one of his main goals.

He is Eclipsa's knight. Star only has to convince her to give the order.

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He quit his service to return to earth when his sister was born. He is no knight.

And they will make Star watch, the whole 60 hours of rough, raw fucking of "her boyfriend" the perfect plan to cuck her.

She deserves it.

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Yeah, honestly, compared to Eclipsa and Globgor's backstory pretty much everything essential about Toffee was in the actual show. Some of it sort of requires reading between the lines in that it's not like his entire plan and motivation gets completely spelled out in-universe or to the audience, but not to the point that a viewer has to essentially make up fanfic to understand it.

It could probably be argued that they didn't make as much use of him as they could though, but I guess even that's kind of praise toward the show at that point, that people wanted to see more of him.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen offscreen, nor foes it mean it didn't happen constantly that afterwards... anf it surely doesn't mean that it won't happen again.

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He kept the position. In Gone Baby Gone he tells Heekapoo he is the Royal Babysitter.
Eclipsa just gave him a job he could do while taking care of Mariposa.

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Can’t have a monarchy on US soil.

this thread proves again that Eclipsa's chapter was the most interesting part about the show, not the forced teenage drama bullshit

Don't tell Oklahoma what to do.

It's just talking in circles really. Not that interesting or different from shipping arguments.

Past Season 2 (minus Battle of Mewni) everything goes downhill.
Leaving Earth was a mistake and Marco's character had to get bastardized so he'd get with Star.

The finale felt like a rushed asspull cause the writers wasted their time on worthless filler with no build-up. Heck for most of the series Mina did jackshit.

I liked half of Season 1 and part of Season 2 then I quit around the shipping wars bullshit

You are probably smarter than everyone in this thread who watched to the end and I mean that with complete sincerity

Monster monarchy can because is democraticaly based. They just have to change the title name and fixed.

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May the lord bless and protect you St. John, baptise thy ships and may they be holy in his name

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>Earthni
It's no longer US territory.

I hope Canada colonizes it and turns it into a gulag

And considering they democraticaly chose Globgor as their king, Eclipsa remains as consort/first lady.

The ones that will have troubles adapting as hereditary monarchies like the Spiderbites.

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Depending on the size of the Mewni planet it's no longer Canada either.

If three different castles can fit within like one square mile, I figure most of the contents of Mewni are contained within California. It's like those images of comparatively tiny European countries vs. the entire U.S., except with a minuscule planet instead.

If the Mewni planet is larger than the freaking island I swear Mewmans and the MHC are freaking retarded for not using the dimensional scissors to place the corn fields out of the neighbours' territory.

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>In 14 years
Teen Globgor fucking baby Eclipsa was foreshadowing. Marco will fuck his sisters within 6 months

The problem is most viewers came into this show for Star and Marco, not Nefcys take on Game of Thrones. Star and Marco were so poorly integrated into Eclipsa's plot, so I understand why people call it the Eclipsa show.

Thats a cute Globgor

Teen Globgor groomed toddler Eclipsa so, as an adult, he could fuck her teenage mewman pussy.
It's like one of my japanese games.

Marco might go faster as Meteora only has to recover her memories of the Neverzone to be legal.

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I love you perverted anons, never change.

No homo.

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>Marco is, at least, 16 years older than Star.
>Globgor is, at least, 10 years older, than Eclipsa (most likely older, considering his wrinkles and his battle experience, but it wasn't specificaly stated)

Someone has an age-gap fetish.

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This.
They assume he was a teenager when he first met Eclipsa as Solaria points out how nervous he was in the meeting, but there's no way they'll let someone so young to represent the Kingdom of Darkness.

He was most likely in his late teens or early young adult years. No need to be 14 to feel preasured in a peace treaty meeting with Queen Solaria.

I say he is 15-16 years older, to paralel with Starco and that's why he looks so old compared to his wife (still fit, though).

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read that shit again that was his father