Why did they try to make me feel sympathy for this faggot in the ending of Honest Hearts...

Why did they try to make me feel sympathy for this faggot in the ending of Honest Hearts? I just let Joshua execute him immediately, him and his tribe did much worse things and deserved to be destroyed

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Colonizers are always the bad guys

>dude if you kill him you'll be just like him

Thanks Sawyer VERY cool

>sneering Imperialist dialogue option

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You're doing it to help Joshua, not to save some minor warlord.

They are not trying for you to feel sympathetic at the White Legs, they are making you try to convince Joshua to stop being such a bloodthirsty maniac. The only difference between old Joshua and post-BBQ Joshua is who he kills for, first was Caesar, now it's on the name of God

There are consequences for doing this though, making the teachings of Daniel obsolete and making the tribals believe that Joshua's way of dealing with things is the best one, hinting at a possible war between the Sorrows and the Dead Horses

Joshua didn't want to kill him as a kind of justice, he just wanted to murder him because of the anger within him.

Salt deserved to die but Joshua wasn't doing it for the right reason.

You aren't saving Salt-Upon-Wounds, you're saving the innocence of the Sorrows. Seeing Joshua mercilessly execute him is more detrimental to them than seeing him show an unexpected amount of self-control by allowing him to live.

Joshua encourages living according to the Bible, so expressing "forgiveness" is more in tune to the ideology he wishes to abide by anyway. I believe in that ending Joshua says something along the lines of "I wanted God's anger to be my anger". Joshua is aware of his hypocrisy and acknowledges that he was using his faith to justify his own desire to destroy and subjugate.

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>not letting him leave, knowing that the Legion would do something far more worse to him and his tribe

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I suppose to highlight that there's a different between fighting to get them off your hand, and straight up Genocide in pure rage without reason. Just because you choose to fight the White Legs doesn't mean every single one has to be destroyed to the last elder, woman, and child and the earth beneath them salted. It plays to Joshua's conflict of being either the Legion Legate striving for the same fire that burned him, or the Pious Canaanite trying to find Peace within.

Because Joshua was a genocidal maniac who enslaved and murdered numerous people but used his religion to dismiss it. The point is that by convincing Joshua to spare him he truly evolves beyond being the Burned Man.

I love stories that highlight just how shortsighted the people whining about the "don't kill the villain" trope are.

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I think a lot of people have touched on this but I don't think it's really about Salt. It's about Joshua Graham and the people of Zion. Salt is just a plot device desu.

That's pretty cool I have never taken that ending so I never heard that line

Honest Hearts needed more White Legs, especially the final battle, it is laughably easy if you defend Zion, i don't think you even fight Salt-Upon-Wounds if you defend Zion

If you run away it's at least a little bit more enjoyable because i believe you get more White Legs to fight at the end plus SUW goes straight for you and getting punched by him takes like half of your health away

Caesar only wants results. He'd have the Salt leashed like a dog, but the rest would be put under new management.
Lanius would've probably made an example out of the tribe though if he was left in charge.

>evacuate Zion ending
>no distinct Joshua Graham ending slides
Am I supposed to read this as him living out the rest of his days quietly and with little recognition, or was it just a lack of time/budget?

Good enough, fuck Salts.

>no distinct Joshua Graham ending slides
Nothing changes in Joshua so what you knew about him ends up being the same after you complete the DLC, the slide that says the Dead Horses see him as a god is enough

Why is he a bloodthirsty maniac? He's right, if you don't make an example they'll just come back in force.

brainlets detected

>By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

>We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.

>For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

>How shall we sing the Lord's song in a strange land?

>If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.

>If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

>Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

>O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

>Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.


Do you know what it means?

>the one thing nuclear apocalypse didn't eradicate is the bible
of course

Daniels teachings are retarded, he's basically begging for the sorrows to get destroyed sooner or later with that submissive mindset

They're a bunch of scavengers trying to get in the good graces of a much bigger group they think will remove all difficulty in their lives in return for killing people. They have nowhere safe to go. No base to develop from. No real way to recover without old rivals taking an interest in them.

Which is what happens. They go back to the Salt Lake and get taken apart by the 80s in their time of weakness.

How does this DLC play out if you are legion? How does Joshua react?

Mormons are doomsday preppers, so yes, the Bible is absolutely going to survive

you can threaten to tell Caesar you found him but he brushes it off saying Caesar will ignore you and may even have you killed because to acknowledge Graham lived means to acknowledge he failed

It's exactly the same only Joshua has a line about how Caesar will never acknowledge you telling him about his death because it means admitting that Graham never died

>Daniels teachings are retarded, he's basically begging for the sorrows to get destroyed sooner or later with that submissive mindset
It's just like a way to "let evil destroy itself" because the White Legs can't make it into the place the Sorrows are going and can't survive on their own so they eventually die out

i guess i saw more value in it because in a game that's post-apocalyptic and people kill eachother all the time you'd think people would be tired of killing

and? there's hundreds of millions them if not millions

And what happens when the Sorrows inevitably encounter another hostile group? Run from them as well? There's only so many untouched paradises left in the country, eventually they'll have to learn to deal with other people or learn how to live in the desert in isolation.

>not killing everyone and just leaving Zion
I only went there to get Ranger armor and Survivalist Rifle anyway.

Oh okay but like, does Joshua care that you are with the legion? I haven't played NV in years but i'd think he'd be pretty aggressive towards any legion boys,

>Killing based Joshua
cringe

>"Hey Joshua bust a cap in General gobbeltygook overhere!"

You have a choice to fight Salt-Upon-Wounds if you choose to defend. They purposefully made it more strenuous of a task to flee Zion because it shows that Daniel's plan is actually more dangerous for the Sorrows as opposed to just fighting back.

It also shows how proficient of a leader Joshua is and why the Legion was able to grow so quickly, because 90% of the White Legs in the Three Marys are already killed by Sorrows and Dead Horses before you even get there.

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Nah, he'll even say's he'll accept legion coinage

Because he's not doing it for that reason. He hasn't given pause to any rational reason to extermiante the White Legs. His motivation is solely divine retribution.

I can't remember HH that well anymore but wasn't Daniel's problem that the Sorrows would become as violent as the Dead Horses by revering Joshua? I recall that the ending hints at a possible conflict between the tribes

I thought that the Sorrows would actually defend themselves but wouldn't do it if a pacific option was available, i mean, doesn't Daniel also shoot down White Legs if that means defending the Sorrows?

Fuck Daniel, he lied to me outright. If he wasn't Joshua's buddy I'd have killed him on the spot for his insolence.

Niggers whose parents got sold into USA slavery are better off than those who didn't by a million mile margin. They get to live in a white built society while niggers, well they live a nigger built non-society.

Daniel states that there is a difference between killing in self-defense and waging war. He's against Joshua's plan of action because he'll call for a complete extermination of the White Legs.

>NOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN WHITE LEGORINOS!!! YOU CAN'T JUST DEFEND YOUR HOMELAND!

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They don't. You're supposed to recognize though that Joshua killing him is bad for his own mental and spiritual health and either kill him yourself or convince Joshua to let him flee in defeat and infamy.