64 Kirby

Kirby and Lucina aren't even the best characters of their respective games. Lucina might even be outclassed by Wolf as a top tier that can be pocketed easily because Wolf has a gun and a higher quantity of killmoves. 64 Pika > 64 Kirby because Pika is faster, not quite as knowledgeable on this though.

t.Lucina mains

I'm not them, but why do people think Lucina is OP? Sure, she's good, but she's clearly got some weaknesses you can play around. She's nothing like Smash 4's Bayo/Cloud or Brawl's Meta Knight, who were game-breakingly OP. None of the top PGR players even use Lucina except for MkLeo, and he almost never plays her anymore anyway.

none of the top 5 players in ult even use lucina

>She's clearly got some weaknesses you can play around
>She's nothing like Smash 4's Bayo/Cloud or Brawl's Meta Knight

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Answer the question, retard.

what was the page to make this?

t. can't beat Lucinas

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>who is leo

There's no shame in being unable to beat a broken character, if she doesn't get nerfed the game will die just like the last three Smashes did.

When was the last time MkLeo used Lucina in a tournament? I can remember seeing him use Marth maybe a handful of times in the past like 5-6 months, and he used Byleth at Frostbite to style on Maister, but other than that I feel like he's exclusively been playing Joker.

Leo, Tweek and Nairo all have a pocket Lucina, the fuck are you talking about you colossal retard?

If your understanding of Smash is at such a level that you think Lucina is in the same league as Smash 4 Bayonetta, then the problem isn't with any of the characters, but with you, user.

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Cope Lucinafag, your crutch character is just as broken as Bayo and Meta Knight before her and she's getting nerfed. And then you'll never win again.

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I main YLink and recently started picking up ZSS, but thanks for trying. Just because somebody recognizes that Lucina is good-but-not-OP doesn't mean that they're a Lucinafag.

If you're going to stubbornly blame the game instead of your own shortcomings as a player, and whine for a patch instead of gitting gud, then you'll simply always be a shitter.

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>Best neutral in the game
>Piss easy kill confirms
>Ridiculous recovery
>Spammable, safe moves
>Fast as fuck
>No bad matchups or weaknesses to speak of

Even top players like Salem, Riddles and Dark Wizzy think Lucina is broken, why do shitters on Yas Forums think they know better?

Marth, Puff, ICs, even Sheik are all much more obnoxious than Fox. Also no, MK was not the most cancerous character in Brawl despite being absolutely fucking broken.

>Lucina
She's simple as fuck and really overtuned but is by no means the most obnoxious or insufferable character in that game. She's just... effortless to play

Every single top player in Ult has a pocket Lucina. Nobody really solomains her because she's so goddamn simple and boring. Playing as her is like Smash on training wheels

Its impossible to be a top player and not be good at lucina, shes literally the simplest character in the game.

The only one that solo mains her is ProtoBanham and guess what, he's a fraud who gets carried by a bullshit character. Seeing him get raped by superior players like Leo and Raito makes me so happy.

What's wrong with Lucina?

I thought Hero was the broken character in Ultimate. What makes Lucina broken?

See

Most people hate puff more than fox in melee, btw. Fox is offense, puff is defense.

Lucina is not hard at all.

I think she's overpowered for sure but not to the point where she breaks the game. She's just really fucking simple to play and the return on such investment for playing such a low effort character is extremely high. She isn't egregiously centralizing, she's just really fucking good.

She also invalidates Marth as a viable character so fuck her for that as well. I just really dislike the fundamental design philosophy of the Awakening echoes

I like playing with the shotos and Chrom, but lately I've been trying out Lucina and she really doesn't feel intuitive to me at all. Why do people say she's easy? Am I just not playing her right?

All her moves are easily cancellable with any projectile Character.

Just fadeback fair/nair, if you get scared just shield and upb out of it. She's so fucking braindead

Hero is obnoxious and annoying to play against, but he's not actually all that good. You can cheese some wins with him, but he's too punishable and too unreliable to be above a mid-tier character. He's a great noob stomper, though, so I wouldn't doubt for a second that there are a lot of people complaining about him and accusing him of being broken.

Lucina also isn't actually broken, but she is definintely quite good and easy to play, so she gets over-represented online and in locals and people are tired of her. There's also chunk of characters that are otherwise good, but have a unfavorable matchup against Lucina, and because she's such a common pick it makes those characters way more difficult to main. IMO if someone were to use a genie wish to make Lucina a less popular character without actually changing the balance of the game at all, you wouldn't see nearly as many complaints about her being OP.

I think the best character in Ult is Pikachu and most unhealthy is probably Rob
Lucina is just really solid in every aspect, but so are chars like Inkling and Palu.

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This, if you can't win with Lucina you may as well just kill yourself. If literally cheating isn't enough to give you an advantage, you might just be a worthless human being.

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>Inkling consistently gets placed in the top 10 on tier charts
>Has basically no representation among top players now that Cosmos has abandoned Inkling
If Inkling is supposed to be one of the best characters in the game, why does nobody play her? I want to git gud with Inkling but there's nobody to watch for examples and I don't have the autism or talent required to push the meta myself.

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Characters like Inkling and Lucina don't have much going for them. They don't have turnip combos or G&W bullshit or arsene. They are fairly simple and hence easy to learn. But this now means once you start fighting actually competent players you are completely barren with only your own skill to rely on. Everyone knows the matchup against you so you have to work from that disadvantage and make sure your unique enough if a player that they don't win just from MU knowledge

Look at all these delusional Lucinafags coming out to defend their crutch character. Pathetic. Imagine having so little skill that you have to main the absolute most brainless, low effort character in the cast...and you still lose. You can smugpost all you want, but the only one who has to live with your own mediocrity is yourself. It must be so painful to have a literal broken character at your disposal and still lose because you're just that fucking bad at Smash.

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This is obvious Lucina main propaganda if I've ever read it
>They don't have much going for them
Y'know, except for broken disjoints, broken recovery, broken ledgetrapping, broken kill confirms...need I go on?

Inkling meta stagnated pretty hard since the only top player that committed to her was Cosmos, who might be one of the least creative players in existence.
They don't offer many ways to jank games out of nowhere but what they can give is consistency with super reliable bnbs (with one of the best kill confirms in the game) and camping tools that are incredibly hard to get past

>She's nothing like Smash 4's Bayo/Cloud
She is as braindead in this game as everyone said Cloud was in 4

>Inkling
>Simple
Hell no

Except Cloud had bad matchups and weaknesses (shit recovery, slow moves) while Lucina doesn't have a single one.

Someone who dropped Lucina in like a week because he thinks she's lame as hell

>Moving the goalposts

I main shulk but good try
Literally lucina is basic ass shit. She is exactly what you see so as long as you get pass the disjoint you fine
Predictable ass recovery
Her kill confirms aren't that great she has a better time killing offstage than she does on stage
Her ledge trapping is great but no where near broken
And disjoints aren't broken considering so many other characters have them as well or a projectile

Lucina is in no way the biggest cancer
That goes to joker

>Once you get past the disjoint you fine
Yeah user once you get past what makes the character broken you're fine. Dude just win lmao.
>Predictable ass recovery
That kills you for trying to gimp her
>Her kill confirms aren't great
lmao
>Her ledge trapping is nowhere near broken
Literally best in the game but okay
>And disjoints aren't broken considering so many other characters have them
And those characters are broken to. But you should know that, Mr. Shulk man. All you swordfags are the same.

>64 kirby
who cares? no one played it competitively anyways
>melee fox
used to be a problem but then people adapted. definitely not a problem now. he's still strong, but it's not like he's oppressive or easy to use
>brawl meta knight
total cancer
>sm4sh bayonetta
pretty cancer, but honestly I was okay with it because it btfo'd diddyfags and cloudfags
>ultimate lucina
not even top tier. extremely simple character that became less strong as more complex characters got figured out. honestly, ultimate is so well balanced, it's hard to even say which character is the best

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>Lucina
>Not even top tier

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I find lucina fucking annoying to play against but she's not anything like meta knight or bayonetta or even melee fox, and melee fox can be worked if you know what your doing. She could use some nerfs but she has more than enough competition in this game
ultimate is still surprisingly the most balanced smash so far. I mean there are some obviously good characters at the top but the top isnt that far away, at least in the current meta, and its fairly populated with a lot of characters with a variety of play styles, so comparing ANY character in ultimate right now to bayonetta and meta knight is pretty fucking stupid my dude

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Do you actually believe most of your Lucina complaints or are you just doing this to keep your thread alive

she's somewhere between 5th and 10th best character in the game. Saying she's above that makes you a retard

See unless you think those guys are just scrubs that need to git gud and that you're better than them.

>disjoints are broken
Play a character with a projectile or a disjoint to counterpick. Like joker or snake or wolf etc
>that kills you for gimping her
Git gud
>kill confirms
Tell me which ones are so great
>her ledge trapping is best in game. But it's literally not. Snake probably has better ledge traps
>all disjoints are broken
I see so corrin is broken along with ddd and Robin and Bowser Jr and meta knight and toon link and cloud etc

just because someone is good at a sport doesnt mean they fully understand finer aspects of it, a boxer can be a beast in the ring but a ton wont be able to pin point exactly what they are doing to someone in terms of optimal damage or where the best place to hit them in any situation is and they might be wrong when they size someone up and over do it or be overwhelmed when they do. Someone who CAN do that with any degree of accuracy is probably better than them but that doesnt make them a slouch, and considering I dont know who 2/3s of those people you just listed are I can assume there are plenty better than them who say otherwise

>Joker, Snake and Wolf are broken
Oh so you're just shit at the game, alright then
>Git gud
Dude just don't try to gimp her lmao just let her back to the stage for free lmao
>Tell me which ones are so great
First hit nair into fsmash kills most of the cast at 80
>Moving the goalposts
Most characters with disjoints are top tier and you know it. Lucina, Chrom, Roy, Shulk, Ike, Palutena and Terry are all extremely good and top 20 characters.
>Don't know top PGR ranked players
>Still want to act enllightened
Please stop

Certain players have opinions, what a fucking world
Dwizzy thinks Fox is top 5 and Salem thinks Hero is better than Joker. Their opinions aren't invalid but those are just opinions
I think Lucina is amazing but there are chars that are stronger and/or more annoying to play against

I care more about the opinions of top ranked PGR players than some fag on Yas Forums who doesn't want to admit that his top tier main is busted.

Lucina is consistently placed high on tier lists because she is a simple character that is very strong at doing simple things. She isn't mechanically hard to play and doesn't have tons of options, but the few options she does have are strong. Over time, that's made her less and less viable. Who even mains Lucina anymore? Nairo is gone, and MkLeo doesn't play Lucina anymore. Mr E still plays Lucina, but he didn't even make top 96 at Frostbite. Who seriously still plays Lucina and is able to get anywhere near top 24? at major tournaments?

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I main Terry who's pretty great but hey it looks like you care more about collecting >You's more than actual discussion so enjoy your seething I guess

>who cares? no one played it competitively anyways
Speak for yourself. See you at 64 majors at SSC 2020, bitch.

Alright I'm done with this bait you'd have to be literally retarded at this point

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>but the top isnt that far away
i agree and it's probably what has impressed me about Ultimate the most. the roster is fuckhuge, but the difference between the top tier characters and the mid tier characters isn't really that big, and there's really only a handful of characters that are clearly underpowered. although poor Little Mac is probably never going to be balanced without his whole moveset being reworked

i'm not that user, but if you're struggling so much against Lucinas, then you should try maining Lucina for a while. IMO the best way to learn how to deal with a character is to play the character.

protobanham and i guess mr.e are the only notable Lucina mains i can think of. there's a some PGR players that keep Lucina as a secondary but you don't see them pull her out very often.

ProtoBanham